I was thinking the same thing after riding a friends pro-climb yesterday. They ride and handle pretty good. The vertical steering with adjustable height steering post is also a nice feature.
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I was thinking the same thing after riding a friends pro-climb yesterday. They ride and handle pretty good. The vertical steering with adjustable height steering post is also a nice feature.
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kx250fvollmer
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I am not the best at photoshop haha but looks decent
Competition has always improved the breed.....if you look back over the history of snowmobiles, a number of component ideas in sleds today came from as far back as the 1970's...and so it is today....RMSHA, I-500, snow-x, and oval racing have all fostered much of what makes up a moderrn snomobile. So here we have what is undisputably the best chassis from a competitive standpoint.....combined with unquestionably the best motor in snowmobiling.....and all these consumeroids dont think this new Viper is any good? If you think your Vmax 4 is better at racing yer brother-in-law from the barn to the chicken coop....great. The Viper looks to be a fantastic product....and the fact is.....many are convincing themselves not to try this sled because they know it will prove them wrong. Good job Yamaha.
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paulharris
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well, i will believe it when i see it (quality). Cat has been producing junk for so many years, i can't see them changing their ways overnight
I am a diehard Yamaha guy, and I think this is a fantastic move. If you look back to the early development of Kawasaki and Suzuki's 4 stroke MX bikes, the first year was a co-developed bike with the biggest difference being the color on the plastics. Within a few short years the Kawi was a MONSTER! Now thinking back to the Yami/Cat development if you consider Yamaha's history with completely bulletproof engines and Cat's excellent chassis, we are getting the better deal. If you put Yamaha's quality control and fit/finish together with the AC chassis I think we have a winning combination on our hands. I did buy a '13 proclimb 153 LE this year, and the sled rocks. It doesn't pull my arms out of the sockets like my Nytro, but it does everything else very well.
Of course all of this could be moot if you believe the rumors about a completely different chassis and engine for next year's MTX. If that is the case then Yamaha probably used Cat so they could release a factory turbo sled in the US. Either way, I'm saving my pennies for a snowcheck on a '15 Yamaha MTX.
Of course all of this could be moot if you believe the rumors about a completely different chassis and engine for next year's MTX. If that is the case then Yamaha probably used Cat so they could release a factory turbo sled in the US. Either way, I'm saving my pennies for a snowcheck on a '15 Yamaha MTX.
Or yamaha could have remade the old 3 cylinder 2 stroke with direct injection, lighter, etc. Then put it in the cat chassis. We might be on to something there. I have a 2003 mtn viper and even when I ride a new 800 it still doesn't pull like the old triple does. It will be a sad day when I can no longer get a triple - 2 stroke.
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Mcx Nytro
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What I wonder is if you buy the yami and get the Yami motor and clutching,and chassie from cat or buy the cat and get the Yami motor cat clutching and chassie who would buy the cat?? I rode the 12 cat and liked a lot about it, nothing about the clutching tho, so if those are the choices why buy from cat?? what happens to their sales or am I missing something here???/
cat is 600 dollars cheaper
Which model are you looking at that its 600 bucks cheaper?
The biggest price difference I found was $250. I was looking at MSRP also
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Linc
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I am a die hard Yamafan, but I'm diggin' this move, the cat chassis works really well, the Yamaha motors work great, what a great combo. The Yamacat will be built under Yamaha's strict quality control, so I think you will see better fasteners and mounts. I'm bummed there won't be a Mtn machine, the mountain dealers and riders have been let down. That being said, I can't afford one this year anyway, so now I get to sit back, ride the T-Nytro for another year and wait for the bugs to get worked out…WINNING!
SR Viper RTX SE--------------$12649
ZR7000 Sno Pro--------------$12599
Difference-----------------------$50
SR Viper---------------------$12149
ZR7000 LXR------------------$11999
Difference----------------------$150
SR Viper LTX SE-------------$12949
XF7000 Sno Pro-------------$12849
Difference---------------------$100
SR Viper LTX----------------$12499
XF7000 LXR-----------------$12249
Difference---------------------$250
SR Viper XTX SE------------$12999
XF Cross Country Sno Pro---$12899
Difference---------------------$100
ZR7000 Sno Pro--------------$12599
Difference-----------------------$50
SR Viper---------------------$12149
ZR7000 LXR------------------$11999
Difference----------------------$150
SR Viper LTX SE-------------$12949
XF7000 Sno Pro-------------$12849
Difference---------------------$100
SR Viper LTX----------------$12499
XF7000 LXR-----------------$12249
Difference---------------------$250
SR Viper XTX SE------------$12999
XF Cross Country Sno Pro---$12899
Difference---------------------$100
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SylvanLaker
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I am a die hard Yamafan, but I'm diggin' this move, the cat chassis works really well, the Yamaha motors work great, what a great combo. The Yamacat will be built under Yamaha's strict quality control, so I think you will see better fasteners and mounts. I'm bummed there won't be a Mtn machine, the mountain dealers and riders have been let down. That being said, I can't afford one this year anyway, so now I get to sit back, ride the T-Nytro for another year and wait for the bugs to get worked out…WINNING!
X2, but as you said i won't be buying any sled that uses poor fasteners. We wrench on Cats all day and hate the quality of the little things.. Love to upgrade but mine is already awesome!.. Never buy a sled on the first production year anyway, I did once and never will again. There will be problems and that's why they roll out one sled model first so they can work out the kinks. then when the mountain model comes out hopefully if all the kinks are worked out and it appears to be of Yamaha quality I will buy one...
My 2 cents..
It seems kind of ironic to me in one sense that the Nytro was initially designed as a trail sled but never quite lived up to the level of performance that the flat landers wanted. It pushed in corners was heavy etc etc. The mountain version was clearly an after thought and it flat out sucked in 08 09 as well. They never really satisfied the flat landers with th Nytro but as a mountain sled it actually can me made to be pretty awesome because it has balance. The Nytro has been around long enough now that it's quirks have been all figured out and cured by both Yamaha and the aftermarket.
This new Yamacat to me, and I don't care who builds it or what fastners it uses has all kinds of bad issues for mountain riders. Just take an objective look the design. It has the same Nytro motor, same need for an oil tank, big a$$ chain case, same everything but the exhuast and all the other weight is all up front. As a mountain guy why would you want to start with this? Add a side mount turbo system where that suitcase is and the problem will only get worse, more weight up front. That exhaust will create more lag then a rear mount MCX Nytro, I'll put money on it. So somebody will undoubtedly say OK lets do a rear mount. Well its already been done its called a Nytro with a Zbroz front end.
Cat has some great things to offer, their mountain skids have really pretty good geometry if you like to boondock, some of the components are $hit like the shocks for example, but as for the rest of the sled who cares. Tunnels are bent 5052 aluminum, it doesn't take a genius to design a good tunnel Yamaha just needs to get their heads out of the a$$es and build one.
If you ride a 4 stroke it's always going to be heavy so you best get that weight spread around as much as you can. To me Yamaha would have been way ahead fine tuning the Nytro by making a real tunnel, using a real skid, building a +3 front end option for guys who want that, adding 10 hp, adding a 4 cylinder option, better fuel tank seat combo like a Rev, keep the rear exhaust and drop say 40 lbs. Thats all it needs, problem solved. Mountain market nailed down boom done.
Sorry I lost my senses there for a second and breifly thought that they actually cared about what we want.
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This new Yamacat to me, and I don't care who builds it or what fastners it uses has all kinds of bad issues for mountain riders. Just take an objective look the design. It has the same Nytro motor, same need for an oil tank, big a$$ chain case, same everything but the exhuast and all the other weight is all up front. As a mountain guy why would you want to start with this? Add a side mount turbo system where that suitcase is and the problem will only get worse, more weight up front. That exhaust will create more lag then a rear mount MCX Nytro, I'll put money on it. So somebody will undoubtedly say OK lets do a rear mount. Well its already been done its called a Nytro with a Zbroz front end.
Cat has some great things to offer, their mountain skids have really pretty good geometry if you like to boondock, some of the components are $hit like the shocks for example, but as for the rest of the sled who cares. Tunnels are bent 5052 aluminum, it doesn't take a genius to design a good tunnel Yamaha just needs to get their heads out of the a$$es and build one.
If you ride a 4 stroke it's always going to be heavy so you best get that weight spread around as much as you can. To me Yamaha would have been way ahead fine tuning the Nytro by making a real tunnel, using a real skid, building a +3 front end option for guys who want that, adding 10 hp, adding a 4 cylinder option, better fuel tank seat combo like a Rev, keep the rear exhaust and drop say 40 lbs. Thats all it needs, problem solved. Mountain market nailed down boom done.
Sorry I lost my senses there for a second and breifly thought that they actually cared about what we want.
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stingray719
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I have to agree. We have an old Mountain Max that has seen better days we keep for guests. In most places besides boondocking it will outrun our stock Nytro. With direct injection and 175hp what a riot that would be!
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stingray719
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But the Viper in this iteration or even the last was NOT built to be a mountain sled. I have not rode this one but I owned a 2004 Viper and wow it rocked on the roads and trails and from what I have read this new Viper was designed for that. NOW, when the release a sled they call a mountain sled then I will be critical.
But the Viper in this iteration or even the last was NOT built to be a mountain sled. I have not rode this one but I owned a 2004 Viper and wow it rocked on the roads and trails and from what I have read this new Viper was designed for that. NOW, when the release a sled they call a mountain sled then I will be critical.
Exactly. This should have happened in 08 or at the latest 2010 I couldn't give a rats a$$ about some trail sled. If sledding was trail riding I wouldn't be into it, thats just me. Doo and Poo have it figured out they build sleds designed for the mountains so whats the big problem here with Yamaha? The 2014's are out and they are still not in the mountain game not even a little bit but peeps still keep holding their breath. Face it the ship has sailed, guys are on their second and third XP/XM and Doo just keeps on building a customer base.
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Well I think the real batal for sales is cat has a better woranty but yamaha only has one year it is normally all they need though
