Looks like Im keeping the 09 Assault for another year. Thinkin about changing the track also. I was considering going with the series 5.1 Polaris track since it is a direct changeover and I would not have to change drivers. Anyone had any experience with this track on an assault? Does it still wheelie the same? And are there any other tracks out there that work well on this sled?
New track for Assault
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MNSLEDNECK56308
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Drop and roll with Camo Extreme 2.5, 100 times better than stock! Oh and the MT. Tamer helps out as well!
i put a 151 2in on mine had to change the drivers and add rail extensions but it was a pretty easy install.
my buddy just put the camo extreme 2.5x146 track on his assault..direct bolt in and he loves it..I did the 2.5x163 extreme on my D-8 dragon but I used a drop and roll because I wanted more tunnel/track clearance...
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MNSLEDNECK56308
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Yes I did the drop and roll for a little extra clearance as well, but the 2.5 camo does bolt in on the Assault. Camo track #9145.
Don't do the 5.1, you will really be disappointed. Unless you ride in soft sugar powder every ride, you will just be spinning. Don't worry about the 5.1 wheeling badly, it just spins in place. God forbid you come down a steep hill, you might as well be on the throttle because there is no traction coming down.
I'd go with the CE in a 151. You should be able to just use rail extensions. The other option is to find a 5.1 for really cheap and cut it down and screw it (see the F-Bomb track mod threads).
I'd go with the CE in a 151. You should be able to just use rail extensions. The other option is to find a 5.1 for really cheap and cut it down and screw it (see the F-Bomb track mod threads).
I dont want to have to do a drop and roll. I do a lot of trail riding up here and I love the wheelies but I dont trust the stock track any longer. Plus, I want to be able to do more than 83 mph and still have plenty of lug to go in the powder.
I didn't do a drop and roll. It is tight, but I've had no significant issues. You won't see any track speed lose over what you have now. In fact, you might gain a little more than the stock 146" Po track (although the 5.1 will move faster than both).
IMO.. on your Assault...
The Camoplast Challenger Powder-Max 146" x 2" x 15" w/2.86" pitch is the best bolt on track for your application. Part # 9087 $640 at tracks usa or Contact Winter Brew on the forums here for a better price most likely and give the business to a fellow forum member)
Tall Lug tracks just dont hold up the the high speed operation you are talking about that well without delamination. Camoplast does not recommend that you exceed 70mph with the Ch Extreme... delam problems... (not to be confused with deep snow turbo track speeds in excess of this)
This track will hook up better in the pow than the Assault track and give you much better braking than the 5.1 and no clearance issues. It is also a light weight track (single ply) you can even ditch 3 lbs if you remove every other track clip.
You will need to cut out the center extrovert driver on you shaft (which is an improvement IMO) as there are no center driver windows on this track... the only other track with these windows is the CE 2.5" besides the Polaris Factory tracks.
My 2 cents.
The Camoplast Challenger Powder-Max 146" x 2" x 15" w/2.86" pitch is the best bolt on track for your application. Part # 9087 $640 at tracks usa or Contact Winter Brew on the forums here for a better price most likely and give the business to a fellow forum member)
Tall Lug tracks just dont hold up the the high speed operation you are talking about that well without delamination. Camoplast does not recommend that you exceed 70mph with the Ch Extreme... delam problems... (not to be confused with deep snow turbo track speeds in excess of this)
This track will hook up better in the pow than the Assault track and give you much better braking than the 5.1 and no clearance issues. It is also a light weight track (single ply) you can even ditch 3 lbs if you remove every other track clip.
You will need to cut out the center extrovert driver on you shaft (which is an improvement IMO) as there are no center driver windows on this track... the only other track with these windows is the CE 2.5" besides the Polaris Factory tracks.
My 2 cents.
Do you know what the weight difference is between this track and the stock assault track? I tried to find the weight of the competition track but couldnt find it. Thanks
In deep, heavy, wet snow...I've seen a fair track speed drop using the 2.5" tracks on the 8 tooth 2.86" pitch (stock) drivers compared to the stock 2.4" track. It moves more snow and is stiffer than the stock 2.4" (actually about 2.3" compared to the true 2.5" of the camo extreme).
Also, the CE 2.5" will not hold up to the high trail speeds you are talking about. This info coming directly from Camoplast.
The CE 2.5" has less than 1/4" clearance at the front of the tunnel .
Also, my 2 cents (no offense intended Bugito)... I have run the series 5.1 track all season long in ALL snow types from California to Colorado to Idaho to Wyoming to Revy to Whistler this year... It is NOT a "hunk of junk" track as many people seem to point out .. It does well in most conditions. I have been running it in Cali with our "Sierra cement" for the last 3 weeks since I returned and it does well in our conditions... is it as good as a Ch Extreme 2.5", NO... But it certainly not a worthless track.
If you are a truly an extreme rider, meaning that you are going down into the trees from an very steep slope (that would make a skier think 2x about) then the CE track would be a better tool for what you are doing, no doubt...
IMO... the average intermediate level/advanced rider is good with the series 5.1... I've watched the real experts ride with the 5.1 and do some amazing things...
My 2 cents... I'm just kind of tired of seeing people say that the 5.1 is not a decent track when I have seen info to the contrary.
Also, the CE 2.5" will not hold up to the high trail speeds you are talking about. This info coming directly from Camoplast.
The CE 2.5" has less than 1/4" clearance at the front of the tunnel .
Also, my 2 cents (no offense intended Bugito)... I have run the series 5.1 track all season long in ALL snow types from California to Colorado to Idaho to Wyoming to Revy to Whistler this year... It is NOT a "hunk of junk" track as many people seem to point out .. It does well in most conditions. I have been running it in Cali with our "Sierra cement" for the last 3 weeks since I returned and it does well in our conditions... is it as good as a Ch Extreme 2.5", NO... But it certainly not a worthless track.
If you are a truly an extreme rider, meaning that you are going down into the trees from an very steep slope (that would make a skier think 2x about) then the CE track would be a better tool for what you are doing, no doubt...
IMO... the average intermediate level/advanced rider is good with the series 5.1... I've watched the real experts ride with the 5.1 and do some amazing things...
My 2 cents... I'm just kind of tired of seeing people say that the 5.1 is not a decent track when I have seen info to the contrary.
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The weight would be about 7 lbs less according to my contacts.
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MNSLEDNECK56308
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Not sure if this correct but when was I was looking, only polaris can sell the 5.1 146 for the assault hence the $800 dollar price tag! So i went with the 2.5 camo and a drop and roll for less than that!
The BIG thing that sticks out to me as the intent of this post is that the guy asking the question wants to run 83+ MPH down the trail... not good for the tall lug tracks like the 2.5".
Yep, I didn't pick up on that as well as you did. I agree that you don't want the CE for that use. I will say that the 5.1 is probably not as bad as I say, but the reason I can't stand it is that it will not hook up well out of the hole. Drag racing it is awesome, but what I care about is that initial hook up to climb, come out of a corner or get moving quickly. I've had no issues with the clearance, but I would do a drop and roll if I kept this D8 just to help keep snow out and track speed up.
...but...the 5.1 still sucks for braking!
Jus FYI the 2" is not an easy bolt in because the drivers do not line up with the drive lugs on the track. If it were, I would be running it. The stock drivers cannot be pushed far enough to the speedo side because the splines don't go all the way.
Worry not as Gilles at camoplast says that he will be building a 2" direct bolt in with 6 drive lugs and the center window this summer.
Worry not as Gilles at camoplast says that he will be building a 2" direct bolt in with 6 drive lugs and the center window this summer.
my assault has a top speed of 89mph now with a 2in track on it, about perfect in my book. i ride MN trails alot and haven't had a problem with the track yet just run the scratchers
ElectroTech...
Sincere questions..
The 9087 track does not have involute driver nubs in the standard locations?
Is this a Ski Doo specific track that only has involute drive nubs on either side of the windows and none in the center of the track?
How are the rear idlers, inside the rails, guided ?
MH
I ordered a 9087 with the intent that it would be perfect for my application. It has only 4 rows of involutes on either side of the windows and no center windows. My original plan was to simply cut out the center driver and run it. But without the 2 extra rows of involutes it requires new drivers and an antistab kit to clear the new drivers because the rail tips are to far forward when the drivers are moved to the outboard location. I've never believed in extros or loose tracks on lower HP sleds and felt that it was far to much extra work to use the 2" track. Idlers would not have been an issue for any combination.
Like I said Gilles at Camo R&D plans on running a 6 row 2" track with center windows, bolt in, tons of clearance and as experience shows a 100+MPH capable track as long as its kept cool, ie; not run on bare ice.
I love my CE 2.5 but am planning on running a short lug track for at home next year. I have gearing for 135MPH and with the twins/porting and 50/50 in the tank a few close calls with that speed might be a possibility. Its a 45 minute job to swap and have the best of both worlds.
FYI
Tracks that are a direct bolt in for the Assault are:
Camo Extreme 2.5
RipSaw 1.75
Cobra 1.375
Series 5.1 2.4
Hopefully Challenger 2.0 this summer/fall
I ordered a 9087 with the intent that it would be perfect for my application. It has only 4 rows of involutes on either side of the windows and no center windows. My original plan was to simply cut out the center driver and run it. But without the 2 extra rows of involutes it requires new drivers and an antistab kit to clear the new drivers because the rail tips are to far forward when the drivers are moved to the outboard location. I've never believed in extros or loose tracks on lower HP sleds and felt that it was far to much extra work to use the 2" track. Idlers would not have been an issue for any combination.
Like I said Gilles at Camo R&D plans on running a 6 row 2" track with center windows, bolt in, tons of clearance and as experience shows a 100+MPH capable track as long as its kept cool, ie; not run on bare ice.
I love my CE 2.5 but am planning on running a short lug track for at home next year. I have gearing for 135MPH and with the twins/porting and 50/50 in the tank a few close calls with that speed might be a possibility. Its a 45 minute job to swap and have the best of both worlds.
FYI
Tracks that are a direct bolt in for the Assault are:
Camo Extreme 2.5
RipSaw 1.75
Cobra 1.375
Series 5.1 2.4
Hopefully Challenger 2.0 this summer/fall
Thanks for that Electro...
I'd settle for this track without the center driver window... I feel that the center extrovert (not to be confused with a combo driver) puts too much stress on the track... if the track starts to ratchet ... you only have about 4 teeth transferring all the hp of the engine to the track... which is already hooked up... I've personally have seen 3 center driver tracks with the fiberglass rods broken in the middle of the track on at least 50% of the track... Polaris, IMO should be going to a combo driver as OEM equipment like the other mfgs do (and what they run on their own race sleds...combo drivers)... I prefer Cats arrangement... 4 rows of involute nubs on the inside of the rails....only small guide nubs on the outside of the rail...and run proper tension (not loose) tracks if you want it to hook up well and not delaminate paddles.
I'd settle for this track without the center driver window... I feel that the center extrovert (not to be confused with a combo driver) puts too much stress on the track... if the track starts to ratchet ... you only have about 4 teeth transferring all the hp of the engine to the track... which is already hooked up... I've personally have seen 3 center driver tracks with the fiberglass rods broken in the middle of the track on at least 50% of the track... Polaris, IMO should be going to a combo driver as OEM equipment like the other mfgs do (and what they run on their own race sleds...combo drivers)... I prefer Cats arrangement... 4 rows of involute nubs on the inside of the rails....only small guide nubs on the outside of the rail...and run proper tension (not loose) tracks if you want it to hook up well and not delaminate paddles.
