So your saying even if you wanted raptors, its not going to happen this year because of time and tuning etc.. but the high end exits are of the same quality.
New 2012 Mt Tamer Options?
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I can't compare the quality of the Raptors to the EXIT's as the Raptors are brand new to the market and there are only a handful of them out there in use.
When we get to see the Raptors out there, in numbers with thousands of miles on them, in the consumers hands, I'd be able to make a non-speculative comparison to see if the quality of the Raptors compares favorably to the EXIT shocks from Z-Broz that are out there in numbers.
It will be nice to see more information from Raptor when they finally get their website up and running. http://www.raptorshocks.com/
The discussion of Raptor shocks with the Timbersled is a mute point as they are not an option with the Timbersled and you cannot buy their skid kits without a shock package.
The truly high end offering from Timbersled this year is the FOX FLOAT X-EVOL...as far as total adjustability, that shock is currently in a league of it's own.
When we get to see the Raptors out there, in numbers with thousands of miles on them, in the consumers hands, I'd be able to make a non-speculative comparison to see if the quality of the Raptors compares favorably to the EXIT shocks from Z-Broz that are out there in numbers.
It will be nice to see more information from Raptor when they finally get their website up and running. http://www.raptorshocks.com/
The discussion of Raptor shocks with the Timbersled is a mute point as they are not an option with the Timbersled and you cannot buy their skid kits without a shock package.
The truly high end offering from Timbersled this year is the FOX FLOAT X-EVOL...as far as total adjustability, that shock is currently in a league of it's own.
There is also the option of ordering an Exit X1 front track shock with the X1 rear track shock. This option is NOT offered through T-Sled, But I currently have 2 set ups like this on order and can add additional units if guys want. There is not room on the 2012 Timber sled skid to offer an X2 rear track shock.
Jake @ Raptor is a VERY knowledgable individual and has a VERY good product. I think at this end of the spectrum, comparing Exits to Raptors is like comparing a Ferrari and Lamborghini, both freaking rock over a car like a Focus aka stock shocks.
KMod or Timbersled?
I am still trying to decide between the KMod and Timbersled suspension. In my research they both appear to have the same design and are close in price. The Timbersled looks a little stronger and easier to adjust.
Which do you guys think would be better?
Idaho Bill
I am still trying to decide between the KMod and Timbersled suspension. In my research they both appear to have the same design and are close in price. The Timbersled looks a little stronger and easier to adjust.
Which do you guys think would be better?
Idaho Bill
First off.... both are high quality units.
For high HP super steep chute climbing with High HP turbo sleds like what Shane Stanger runs... I give the nod to K-mod
For all around adjustablity and the ability to improve control and ride from the already great stock PRO RMK suspension...It is no secret that I like the Mountain Tamer for those reasons.
For high HP super steep chute climbing with High HP turbo sleds like what Shane Stanger runs... I give the nod to K-mod
For all around adjustablity and the ability to improve control and ride from the already great stock PRO RMK suspension...It is no secret that I like the Mountain Tamer for those reasons.
Here's another option, the 2010 Mtn Tamer is on sale for $638, pick between the Float2, $600 or Z-Broz Exit, $1000 and then scroll down for the 2009 IceAge rails made exclusively for the Mtn Tamer for $292.50. The difference between the '09 and '10 rails is the extra bolt holes to mount the arms more forward on the 2010 rails. I have the '09 rails on my sled now. Check out the link:
http://www.timbersled.com/bargaintree.htm
Just another option.
http://www.timbersled.com/bargaintree.htm
Just another option.
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Budd
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"The 100% max coupling that K-mod claims means that the back arm starts to mechanically pull down the front arm at the same moment the back arm start to compress and will pull the front arm down at a slower rate then our suspension. The advantage to this is that it will have more control on a supper steep hill because when adjusted like this it has no independent action in the back of the rail. The disadvantage is that it will be les likely to lift the skis of the ground when you want it to."
"The 80% max coupling that Timbersled claims means that the back arm can mechanically pull down the front arm 80% of it available travel. The coupling is engaged at about 2 inches down in the stroke of the back arm. The advantage to this is that it still gets the same amount of coupling by pulling the front arm up at a slightly faster rate but still has some independent action at the back of the rail for added maneuverability. The disadvantage is that when on a supper steep hill it will have a slight amount more ski lift because it does not engages the coupling as soon."
The paragraphs above are from Timbersleds post. Allen is correct, K Mod does have the control advantage over the Mountain Tamer on a super steep hill, but I disagree with him about the lack of ski lift being a disadvantage. (remember we are talking about climbing a super steep hill) The K Mod will "float" the front end and that is exactly what you want on an aggressive climb, if you need to get out of the throttle in order to correct your line and then back into the throttle to continue your climb the K Mod keeps the front down and allows the rider to maintain control. After you make your line correction and get back on the gas the last thing you want is to much ski lift because then you have to get out of the throttle in order to get the front of the sled to come back down then you get back into the throttle to try to maintain your momentum, after this cycle happens a couple of times your done, you will not get to the top. Allen is also correct about the K Mod having no independent action at the rear arm when set up in this configuration. This configuration is called position #3 on the coupling adjuster block and is the correct set up for this type of climb. If your not climbing a super steep hill and and want ski lift you can go to position #2, or for more ski lift position #1. If you want all kinds of ski lift then simply remove the coupling adjuster blocks from the rails and you have an independent set up. All this can be done in 30 seconds with two 9/16 wrenches. When the K Mod is set up with no coupling blocks or with the coupling blocks set on position #1 you will get the 2 inches of stroke before coupling occurs and the added maneuverability advantage just like the Mountain Tamer has, what you will not get is the disadvantage that Allen said the Mountain Tamer has, more ski lift on a super steep hill because it does not engage the coupling as soon as the K Mod does. Thank You, Budd
I brought this post over from a thread on the Yamaha page to help answer some of the questions being asked. Budd
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Thanks
Thanks for all the information everybody has given me about suspensions.
I met with Kevin from KMod at his shop and he explained the differences between KMod and TimberSled. I was very impressed with his knowledge and he was proud of his design. I am an engineer and understood most of what he told me. The design is solid! He has done a few things to go above and beyond his competing company's that I liked. I was very impressed with the Raptor shocks and the 20 different settings which will give me the flexibility I could use. The 3 position transfer setting for rear to front transfer I also liked. There are many more things, PM me if you want more information.
As you figured, I purchased the KMod rear suspension and will let you know this winter how it does.
Idaho Bill
Thanks for all the information everybody has given me about suspensions.
I met with Kevin from KMod at his shop and he explained the differences between KMod and TimberSled. I was very impressed with his knowledge and he was proud of his design. I am an engineer and understood most of what he told me. The design is solid! He has done a few things to go above and beyond his competing company's that I liked. I was very impressed with the Raptor shocks and the 20 different settings which will give me the flexibility I could use. The 3 position transfer setting for rear to front transfer I also liked. There are many more things, PM me if you want more information.
As you figured, I purchased the KMod rear suspension and will let you know this winter how it does.
Idaho Bill
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Very hard to beat having the manufacturer a 20 min drive away. I looked at the K-Mod but got a good deal on the 2010 version of the Mtn Tamer. I think I paid like 1380 for the Mtn Tamer w/Float2s.
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