New 2012 Mt Tamer Options?

[snowbie]

I have put around 3000 hard miles on my 700 RMK with ryde fx shocks. My riding buddies just got some Pro Assaults and I was blown away with how much better the suspension is.

I'm a pretty agressive rider - 180#'s and love climbing, tight trees, boondocking. Not really into dropping off cliffs or huge jumps. I usually have to do a bit of trail to get to the hills and the trail is usually trashed up.

I was considering getting the new Mt tamer setup before the sale runs out this month but was contemplating the options. Probably reuse my rails and get the fit kit. What is an anti stab kit? I'm assuming I would be ok to reuse my existing wheels.

And shocks - There s a $600 difference between the X0 and Evol-X. Is it THAT big of difference? Would I be better served getting better front shocks instead? (I would replace the front shocks regardless, just wondering if the extra money would benefit better front shocks or rear).

Thanks for the help!

 

[ktkaelin]

The anti stab kit goes on the front end of your rails. It is a kit that has 4 little wheels that prevents the front of your rails to "stab" through your track, highly recommend. As far as shocks..... I personally like the Evol-X, much easier to wake up the next morning and do it all over again!!

 

[WyoBoy1000]

As far as shocks go, I don't know anything on the new mt tamer but on the kmod I've been told the better adjustable raptor shocks are light years ahead of anything else, you can adjust them for any condition or riding style. Where as mine just has the stock shocks reworked (for now) it is a far better skid than stock (on a M8) but I can tell it could be better.
So from my experience I would spend the money(if you have it) on the better shocks without even thinking about it.

 

[colorado_matt]

Don't hesitate to get the zbroz exit shocks. I used exits all the way around last season on my turbo m8 with mtn. tamer rear suspension and the performance is far superior to any fox zero pro, float, float 2, or float x shock that I have ever used. The only drawback is that the exit shocks are a little heavier than the air shocks. The proogram Allen is doing where they will make sure you get the correct valving and spring on the exit shocks assures the very best performance to suit every individual rider for their particular style. I am planning to run this setup on my turbo pro this season.

 

[snowbie]

Thanks for the suggestions... The website does say the Exit X1 are the best ride. I assume I should get the same shocks for the front? Is timbersled the least expensive way to get the Mt tamer or is there another vendor that gives bigger discounts. I assume that they will take a deposit since the website says it wont even ship till october 31.

 

[milehighassassin]

I was told by Z-Bros that in the mountains for MOST riders they will not see the difference (or feel for that matter) between the X0 and X1. If you are on a budget, more than likely the X0 will be perfect

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I was told by Z-Bros that in the mountains for MOST riders they will not see the difference (or feel for that matter) between the X0 and X1. If you are on a budget, more than likely the X0 will be perfect

90% percent of my friends could tell a difference in suspension every time I changed mine compared to theres or my older setups, the other 10% just doesn't care. But the guys that don't really ride backcountry probably can't tell.

 

[snowbie]

I wonder if X0's for the rear and X1's for the front would make sense?

 

[1RMDave]

I was in the same boat, I settled on a fit kit for my 151 rails and X0 shocks. I got slightly better pricing through a dealer, in the end I just wanted to support the dealer. This is also on the 2012 btw.

For reference I have float2's up front but havent had a chance to ride yet since the upgrade.

 

[milehighassassin]

90% percent of my friends could tell a difference in suspension every time I changed mine compared to theres or my older setups, the other 10% just doesn't care. But the guys that don't really ride backcountry probably can't tell.

I'm not saying you cannot tell the difference in an aftermarket setup and the OEM, I saying Zbroz said that most cannot tell the difference or maybe won't use the features offered on the X1 over the X0 shocks. Basically they said, save your money if you ride the deep. Trail riders will really notice and use the extra features.

 

[WStilson]

I have a 2010 800RMK 155 and have been looking at the Timber Sled rear suspension. I need better floatation in deep powder for hill climbing since the stock one trenches better than a back hoe!

Does anyone have any experiance with the Mt Tamer rear in deep powder and it's trenching reduction???

Thanks,

Idaho Bill

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I'm not saying you cannot tell the difference in an aftermarket setup and the OEM, I saying Zbroz said that most cannot tell the difference or maybe won't use the features offered on the X1 over the X0 shocks. Basically they said, save your money if you ride the deep. Trail riders will really notice and use the extra features.

I know, I'm just saying if your actually one of the better riders out there and willing to tune your suspension, then go with the better ones. Most of my friends could tell the difference but 3 out of 10 would only be willing to adjust it to get the benefit, so if your one of the three get the better shocks, if not don't worry.

 

[diamonddave]

I have a 2010 800RMK 155 and have been looking at the Timber Sled rear suspension. I need better floatation in deep powder for hill climbing since the stock one trenches better than a back hoe!

Does anyone have any experiance with the Mt Tamer rear in deep powder and it's trenching reduction???

Thanks,

Idaho Bill

I don't know about the Mt Tamer, but I doo know a better track (Powerclaw or a Camo ) will doo wonders over the stocker on a RAW chassis. I went with the PC.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Here is some info on what you will find with good(the best) shocks, http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=458552
although you can't get them with the mtn tamer skid, they might be able to build some because I know they come with the full kmod skid. I'm just giving info on what good shocks are capable of.

 

[snowbie]

I emailed Timbersled and Curt and Fastrax and they gave me some good information. They both said that the X0 and X1 are the same except the compression adjustment and said they tell most riders to save the money and get the X0's. Also Timbersled said I don't need the anti stab kit since I'm using the OEM drivers.

I was told I can place my order and do not have to pay till it ships. Looks like I can save some cash!

 

[mountainhorse]

Here is some info on what you will find with good(the best) shocks, http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=458552
although you can't get them with the mtn tamer skid, they might be able to build some because I know they come with the full kmod skid. I'm just giving info on what good shocks are capable of.

Jake spent time with Allen at Timbersled on the snow with the Raptors in the new skid...From what I understand the Raptor shocks were considered.

Timbersled chose their premium package as the Fox Float Evol X shocks and the EXIT X1 shocks... KMOD chose the Raptor shocks for their premium shocks... both are premium offerings.

Jake at Raptor has a lot of experience under his belt... I'm looking forward to seeing the feedback as they make it into the more consumers hands this season.




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[WyoBoy1000]

From everyone that has tried the raptors they are completely impressed, why didn't t-sled give it as an option, I know kmod is recommending them because they know the benefit over the others but t-sled is saying save the money, like there isn't a huge difference but there is some. Is it just a different marketing outlook or is there that much difference. I would assume its a overall $$$ thing, I'm sure the raptors are a lot pricier and there is not as much money to be made. Going off what I've been told and what I understand about shocks I would want the raptors (if you have the money) over all the others, you can't beat a multi-rate spring and that kind of adjustments. Does raptor offer a shock to fit the skid????

 

[mountainhorse]

I don't think it is a "price thing"

WyoBoy,

From what I heard from Jakes Partner at Ice Age, Timbersled has been discussing the option of offering the Raptor shocks with Jake at Raptor/IceAge since last season but has decided to hold off on offering them in the lineup this season.

The EXIT shocks are a proven design with many seasons of use in racing and in consumers hands. They have years of experience with single, dual and triple rate spring design. The X1 shock sits comfortably at the top of the pile of premium shock technology and quality of construction.

I've talked to many of the people that have tested the Raptor shocks, including Allen at T-sled and they had good things to say about them.

The Raptor shock is a very promising design and as more units out there get into the consumers hands I'm sure they will sell more units.

The Raptors are a premium offering, and when you factor in price... I believe that they were a reasonable $150 upgrade from the Float2/EVOL combo when you ordered your other brand skid.

As you probably know, having a shock "fit" a skid and having it work well with that design can be two different things. Before any suspension company can offer a shock package, they must be thoroughly tuned and tested in that design of skid.

I'm sure that Timbersled has considered many different shock packages. Beyond the BASE model shock which is the EXIT X0/X0 shock there are choices for the shock packages in the skid which include the Float2/EVOL , the EXIT X0/X1, and the Float2/EVOL-X combos. With that spread of shock package offerings you can see that it was not a "price thing" with the shock package but the range is expanded to include both very high quality coil spring IFP all the way through the FLOAT-X shocks with their 5 different adjustments with the 21 click compression side control. The Float X EVOL shocks have been hugely successful in the ISOC circuit and with the best mountain riders out there.

To me having that level of choice in a premium suspension design is a good thing for the consumer.





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[mountainhorse]

Back to the original questions!!

What is an anti stab kit? I'm assuming I would be ok to reuse my existing wheels.

And shocks - There s a $600 difference between the X0 and Evol-X. Is it THAT big of difference? Would I be better served getting better front shocks instead? (I would replace the front shocks regardless, just wondering if the extra money would benefit better front shocks or rear).

Snowbie.... With all the chatter about the tech end of things I missed on getting back to answering you first questions.

An anti stab kit is for use on the front of your rails when you trim them for use with Anti-Ratchet drivers like the Avid Combo drivers... they would be unnecessary to use with the stock driveshaft drivers.

You would be fine to re-use your existing wheels on the suspension with your stock rails and fit kit.

The difference in the shocks is in the adjustability and for the hard core user. Most riders out there will enjoy the improved suspension character of the suspension without the need for an exotic shock package.... though the choice is available if you want to exercise it.

Putting your money into a improved set of FRONT SKI shocks can help the overall ride and control over your sled and might be a good option for you if you find that the stock SKI Shocks do not meet your needs after you have installed the Timbersled REAR suspension and feel the need to change the front suspension.... IMO... change one thing at a time.... you just might find yourself not needing to do anything or just a $150 valving change on your SKI shocks.











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[richracer1]

FWIW, I have an '09 700 RMK and this is what I have done:
38" Barkbuster IFS
Float 2 ski shocks
2011 Mtn. Tamer w/Float2 shocks/IceAge 155" rails

My opinion:
I love the Float2 shocks on the skis, made a huge difference from the cheap non-rebuildable (I think) Ryder shocks - less weight too. Since going with the 38" Bark Buster IFS, I could not use the std. RMK (Dragon models can use the sway bar) sway bar so per T-Sled's advice, I run 80psi in the shocks.

I'll find out this winter how the Mtn. Tamer/Float2 set-up is going to work. I can only see positive results comparing it to the stock RMK skid set-up.

Here's a pic of an anti-stab installed:

Without the plastic rail tips.

And why you have to run them when using Avids or Wahl Bros drivers: