That pretty cool deal.
New 2012 1100T 162 ***671 lbs*** full of gas!
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That pretty cool deal.
I disagree. The SW article offered mostly opinions and no data/facts. That's why I want to see a "deep snow shoot out" style comparison with all of the timed data and measurements posted.
I do believe it. I've owned one and I can ride. They suck to get unstuck. If you think they are about the same as a 2 stroke, to get unstuck, you sir don't know anything.They are a handful for 2 people to get unstuck. The 2stroke 4 stroke analogy is about the dumbest statement I ever heard. Do you even snowmobile? I don't know why I even replied to this. It's like reasoning with a liberal.
Guess what! Who Cares what it weighs. Everybody
I can drop 15lbs to bring it to the weight of a nytro the has $9000 worth of aftermarket parts on it. A Timbersled Front and Rear Skid is not $9K
And then the important thing it has better geometry! How so? This is first year for this style of suspension.
So in conclusion.
Cat:
Lighter = Not true
handles better = You dont know this yet.
$800 to increase hp by 40. = For how long?
Still smiling even though I am crabby that my sled is not here yet.
I will compare it to the nytro because that is the the comparable sled. How can you even consider comparing this to a Nytro?
FACT: Genesis 120 engine, predecessor to the Genesis 130 (Nytro Engine), Not one single reported internal engine failure in stock trim.
FACT: Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobile, world record holder "Longest Snowmobile Journey, 19460 KM's.
FACT: Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobile, world record holder "Most Kilometers on stock engine, no rebuilds, 57652 KM's (18 mpg averaged, Only 3 valve adjustments, factory brakes changed at 35403 KM's, factory track changed at 24948 KM's, 14400 KM's average belt life.)
FACT: Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobile, world record holder "Most Distance covered in 24 hours" Matt Weidinger, 2904.6 KM's
FACT: Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobile, world record holder "Fastest Speed over 1000ft", 163 MPH
FACT: Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobile, world record holder "Fastest 1/4 mile", 7.6 seconds @ 178 MPH
Please don't attempt to compare any manufacturers 4-stroke attempt to Yamaha's. They have been building 4-stroke sleds for 10 years now, they were the first to do it and the first for competitive 4-stroke motocross bikes. The other guys have a lot of catching up to do...
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Turbo11T
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You my friend are wrong timbersled front and rear are 3 grand and the mcx turbo are 6 grand. Also I know of stock yamaha 4 strokes that have thrown rods. The yamaha engine is a goo engine.
Don't come into the cat forum and get so senstive about ur belovdd yamaha. Suzuki makes great engines as well.
Don't come into the cat forum and get so senstive about ur belovdd yamaha. Suzuki makes great engines as well.
FACT: Cat was first whit forestroke.
And why not compare it whit Nytro?? That is the closest one powervise Yamaha got. From crate.
I can drop 15lbs to bring it to the weight of a nytro the has $9000 worth of aftermarket parts on it.
You are implying that he spent $9K on lightweight parts...And forgetting that he also had a trail tank (10 gallon)
FACT: Cat was first whit forestroke. Show me a sled that is relevant to this post. Yamaha is the only manufacturer making excluvisely 4-stroke sleds. They have been building and improving them for 10 years consecutively. Every one bashed Yamaha when they came out with a 4-stroke dirt bike, now they are the only bikes that are competitive. Everyone bashed Yamaha when they came out with a 4-stroke mountain sled, now everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon and suddenly it's a good idea?
Why does it have to be relevant? Yamaha don't have a relevant sled to this post. No facroty Turbo. Yamaha has been in the forestroke mountain game for 10 years and still no turbo, impressive.
And who cares about dirtbikes in a m1100t thread?
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Why does it have to be relevant? Because if Cat was the first company to build a 4-stroke sled, why weren't they successful with it?
Why have they focused so much effort on improving dated technology?
What's the difference between a factory installed turbo and a dealer installed turbo? The end result is the important part. The fact is, and the whole point of this thread, is that Arctic Cat has a long way to go to catch up with Yamaha in terms of weight, reliability and high HP.
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izzni
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A long way to go huh? Sounds like a stock nytro weighs less, but once it has a turbo on it it weighs more. As for reliability, I don't see threads about Z1 turbos with motor failures. The high hp comment makes the least sense. The only people making high hp yamahas is the aftermarket.
As for why does the dealer install matters:
Failures attributed to the turbo are not covered by the warranty. You have to pay for the install on top on buying the sled and turbo kit. The chasis wasn't designed for a turbo, thus the install of the kit has a couple hundred steps.
One other detail, the Yamaha turbo isn't an option for midwesterns who use the sled at home and out west. The kit isn't supposed to be used under 5000 feet.
With all the extra bull**** involved with turning a yamaha into a turbo you might as well turbo a two stroke.
The biggest differens is $4000, not below 6000 feet, and cat gives you 2 year warrenty.
Why do people get so upset and defensive when something new and better comes out?
People hated on the xp when it first came out, last year it was the pro-rmk and it being underpowered, now this crap.
If you don't like the new machine then don't buy and don't bash it. This chet is getting old.
People hated on the xp when it first came out, last year it was the pro-rmk and it being underpowered, now this crap.
If you don't like the new machine then don't buy and don't bash it. This chet is getting old.
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FrostBite2010
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Weight doesn't matter???
For those of you who say weight doesn't matter have obviously never ridden a 400 lb machine.
Are 4 strokes reliable, of course...I commend Arctic Cat on releasing a 4 stroke turbo from the factory...is it for me? NO! The riding I do from 0-3000 of which 50 percent of is in tight trees in deep snow at slow maneuvering, there is no way I would own a 4 stroke. Anyone that wishes to argue this is welcome to come ride with me.
Those of you riding 4 strokes, more power to you. If you ride areas that are conducive to that type of machine I'm sure it will perform well weather its Yamaha or Arctic Cat.
I wish you guys would quit arguing about petty comparisons between these sleds and go put them to the true test...on the mountain. Besides, what does it matter what you ride as long as your enjoying yourself?
Personally...I feel that the least sled to make the hill is always the most fun.
For those of you who say weight doesn't matter have obviously never ridden a 400 lb machine.
Are 4 strokes reliable, of course...I commend Arctic Cat on releasing a 4 stroke turbo from the factory...is it for me? NO! The riding I do from 0-3000 of which 50 percent of is in tight trees in deep snow at slow maneuvering, there is no way I would own a 4 stroke. Anyone that wishes to argue this is welcome to come ride with me.
Those of you riding 4 strokes, more power to you. If you ride areas that are conducive to that type of machine I'm sure it will perform well weather its Yamaha or Arctic Cat.
I wish you guys would quit arguing about petty comparisons between these sleds and go put them to the true test...on the mountain. Besides, what does it matter what you ride as long as your enjoying yourself?
Personally...I feel that the least sled to make the hill is always the most fun.
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Turbo11T
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, what does it matter what you ride as long as your enjoying yourself?
Personally...I feel that the least sled to make the hill is always the most fun.
Agreed. . . I enjoy riding a 4 stroke and not worrying about it go boom. . . I would love to have a turbo m8 but I can't spend 12 grand and then spend 5 grand on a turbo for it.
Also another reason I am pumped about the 1100t is 177hp at any elevation. . . This is a huge PLUS!!! Clutching works. I live in mn and ride here and when i get out west I can unload the sled and ride there with zero change.. . . I like that idea.
Yeah right, thats funny, see how long that lasts...Stock 2-strokes have enough trouble as it is
What good is warranty when the parts are on B/O in the middle of prime riding season? You get what you pay for...
Why have they focused so much effort on improving dated technology? Pleace explain. Please explain? Explain this:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284683
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284697
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284644
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284737
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284391
Im not upset, or defensive, just stating the facts. Some Cat guys are seriously delusional when it comes to their sleds. Next thing you know you'll have to be tying them down to the deck so they don't float away...
Also another reason I am pumped about the 1100t is 177hp at any elevation. . . This is a huge PLUS!!!
This is not an exclusive Arctic Cat feature. As far as I know, every new sled turbo kit is altitude compensated, aftermarket or otherwise.
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