Add a hamburger and you have a quarter ton+ 1/4 pound.....
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New 2012 1100T 162 ***671 lbs*** full of gas!
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Add a hamburger and you have a quarter ton+ 1/4 pound.....
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Turbo11T
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If i was concerned about weight I could drop 40lbs off my butt. . . . That is if I was concerned. I wrestled 160lbs in high school and weigh 210 now. If It was a concern of mine I could weigh 170 again. Instead i am going to eat because it is something I enjoy doing. . . .
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Turbo11T
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I just can't figure out why all the 2 stroke guys are so concerned with how tired I am going to be at the end of the day? Last year we were in the trees. I had the yamadoo and a guy got stuck in front of me. I helped him get out and then they were like now what are you gonna do as it was a good incline in deep snow in front of me. WHEN IN DOUBT POWER OUT! I stabbed the throttle and up and out threw the hole he had been stuck in.
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Going West
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Id also like to know why we are comparing this sled to the stock 153 nitro. If your going to do that you should be comparing the NA 1100 which is a fair bit lighter.
Not that any of it really matters, I dont sled to get stuck, yes it happens but it happens far less on a turbo, and most of the time its at a good angle so you can let gravity do a lot of the work, boot.
Not that any of it really matters, I dont sled to get stuck, yes it happens but it happens far less on a turbo, and most of the time its at a good angle so you can let gravity do a lot of the work, boot.
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Duke785
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Yamaha started the 4 stroke revelution in '98 with the YZ400f come in at 260 lbs we, '98 YZ250 218dry held the same fuel so figure it out. 2012 YZF450 245lbs wet YZ250 227lbs wet. MX bikes are way more refined and high tech then sleds and four strokes still have a weight disadvantage, probably always will. Lets hope all their disadvantages don't make their way into sleds. Huge dollar catastrophic failures!! We can all hope the 2 vs. 4 debate just pushes manufacturers to keep pushin the envelope and we'll all benefit no matter what colour or stroke you choose to ride.
Haha nope haven't covered it yet, maybe when I'm 50!
I understood what you were saying I was just messing around with ya.
It's funny you mention power to weight because that's the strong point of the M1100t compared to the M800 when riding at high elevation.
M800 @ 10,000' = roughly 110hp (if sea level hp is 160) weight is around 555 (153 model I believe) so power to weight ratio is 5.05lb/hp
M1100t @ 10,000' = 170hp (no hp drop for elevation), weight = 671 (162 model), power to weight ratio = 3.94lb/hp
A turbo two stroke would clearly yield the highest power to weight ratio but their isn't one available from the factory which is why the M1100t is so freakin sweet!
I would bet that the M1100t is easier to throw around than any previous attempt at a factory mountain 4 stroke.
--Disclaimer, my numbers may not be 100% accurate but they are close enough
Now, add a lightweight free flowing exhaust and a TD reflash and you have 250 HP on pump gas and 2.64 lbs. per HP. Shim the wastegate and run race gas and you have 300+ HP and 2.2 lbs. per HP.
My first sled, a 1996 Powder special, was 560 dry...and that was the manufactures est. weight!!!! lol. I loved that sled, and I got it stuck lots.
This year, I went with a turbo nytro......3x the HP and better handling, don't think it should be too much of an issue, not for me anyways.
I love the 2 strokes, but big HP and 2 strokes, well, I am just tired of fixing things. Plain and simple. Too many days ruined for myself and others when you are constantly under the hood or getting towed out.
That being said...I still have my M1000 turbo!!!lol
Old habbits die hard.
This year, I went with a turbo nytro......3x the HP and better handling, don't think it should be too much of an issue, not for me anyways.
I love the 2 strokes, but big HP and 2 strokes, well, I am just tired of fixing things. Plain and simple. Too many days ruined for myself and others when you are constantly under the hood or getting towed out.
That being said...I still have my M1000 turbo!!!lol
Old habbits die hard.
we ride trees more than open areas and one of the guys had the tnitro, after a full weekend of that, my back was to the point that i needed to really consider what he had done
sled ran well and had lots of jam, but just over the coarse of three days, it too much sled, and in the real deep it was chore for even two guys to dig out
i wish the best for the guys running these, just getting to old for me
sled ran well and had lots of jam, but just over the coarse of three days, it too much sled, and in the real deep it was chore for even two guys to dig out
i wish the best for the guys running these, just getting to old for me
Just so you are comparing apples to apples. That nytro has a trail tank on it so it does have 10.5 gallons of gas thus being the same as the proclimb. Granted your sled will be brand new which is nice but that guy doesn't have as much into that nytro as you will have into a proclimb to keep up. He bought the sled from me with all the parts except the turbo last year for $7200 and got a used MCX turbo for under 5 G. He does have 270 hp with the MCX nytro so for the same money i would say the Nytro would have the edge on the proclimb. The only difference is the proclimb is new. Im not bashing on the cat at all as i think it is awesome!!! I just want to keep the facts straight.
I know you see a lot of these http://snowjacker.com/ in Colorado because that is where they were developed and made and a lot of guys think they don't need one. But all the guys I ride with have one and we hardly ever have to help each other out of a stuck, no matter if they are riding a M or XP or turbo Yamaha.
How mutch did it cost you to get there? If he payed $12000 on a four year old sled.
What will a 2012 1100t whith same lightweigt goodis as on the nytro cost four year from now?
Apples to potato..
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ridehard1212
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I really dont buy this, same guy would have been stuck on a 2 stroker 2, getting the guy out would not be much different 2 or 4 stroke.. The only differnce i can see is that maybe the guy riding the nytro was not a good enough rider for it?
2 strokes = help less skilled riders look better
4 strokes = help more skilled riders be even better
I had alot into it!!! Like i said. The cat is a brand new sled with all the new technology so it should be great sled out of the box. All i was trying to get across was that they weigh the same and he has the same or less money that into his nytro and it has almost 100 more hp.
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Im really not trying to start an argument about this. I would probably rather have the new sled too. Since a guy who is buying a new 1100t brought up the fact about the nytro weighing more i just wanted to clarify that in fact since it has the same amount of fuel that nytro actually does weigh a little bit less. I know that sled would cost over 20G to build new but i was just stating that this guy didn't have as much into his mod nytro as a new stock 1100t.
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Turbo11T
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Im laughing because of how hard your laughing. . . hahahahhaha
Thanks for throwing out the facts. It changes the comparison a bit. I'm still having a hard time figuring out how it weighs so much when you take into account all of the weight loss numbers. . . guessing the turbo adds more weight than I thought?
It would be nice to see one of the magazines do a real comparison (and show the collected data) of the 2012 four strokes this winter.
2012 M1100 vs. 2012 Nytro (153 vs 153 or 162 vs 162) fuel topped off, RTR, with spare belt on each
2012 M1100T vs. 2012 Nytro with dealer installed turbo kit (153 vs 153 or 162 vs 162) fuel topped off, RTR, with spare belt on each
Then run them through a powder challenge (hill climb and hill cross style timed events) and then a fuel mileage run on a controlled course.
2012 M1100 vs. 2012 Nytro (153 vs 153 or 162 vs 162) fuel topped off, RTR, with spare belt on each
2012 M1100T vs. 2012 Nytro with dealer installed turbo kit (153 vs 153 or 162 vs 162) fuel topped off, RTR, with spare belt on each
Then run them through a powder challenge (hill climb and hill cross style timed events) and then a fuel mileage run on a controlled course.
Ahhh they kind of did in the last SW issue....well not a powder challenge but they gave their insist and what they though between the two.
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