Need help from the SD and ND riders on here
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You may or may not be an a$$hole 
Do you not see my side of this at all??
Been hunting my whole life - no probs
Now some land owners want money just to have the "honor" to walk on their land and maybe shoot something.
Do you not see my side of this at all??
Been hunting my whole life - no probs
Now some land owners want money just to have the "honor" to walk on their land and maybe shoot something.
That doesn't make them a$$holes, or greedy or anything else.
Our family land is for the family 1st, then others.
We let some hunt & trap (for free) when they ask nice.
Any "attitude" and they are turned away.
We have never charged for hunting, but I don't think there is anything
wrong with doing so.
I used to hunt a neighbors land also, but he had the opportunity to collect
big $ from a different hunting party. He'd have been dumb not to accept it.
Our family land is for the family 1st, then others.
We let some hunt & trap (for free) when they ask nice.
Any "attitude" and they are turned away.
We have never charged for hunting, but I don't think there is anything
wrong with doing so.
I used to hunt a neighbors land also, but he had the opportunity to collect
big $ from a different hunting party. He'd have been dumb not to accept it.
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Flying Snow
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no birds here
I live about 10 miles away from Aberdeen SD, There are no birds here at all. Thats my story im sticking to it! Alot of Payed hunting land around here, I persnaly think its a waste to pay that much to hunt. Just drive the roads and find tall grass in the ditch to walk. Or you can go buy some birds then shoot um. Thats my Two cents.
I live about 10 miles away from Aberdeen SD, There are no birds here at all. Thats my story im sticking to it! Alot of Payed hunting land around here, I persnaly think its a waste to pay that much to hunt. Just drive the roads and find tall grass in the ditch to walk. Or you can go buy some birds then shoot um. Thats my Two cents.
So I guess that farmers that own land and have had very low margins for profit other than this past year don't have the right to seek another source of income from that land? Call me an ******* but you aren't going to hunt our land. No we don't charge or let many people hunt because we have enough with family and land lords now, but just the same, if we had the time, we'd charge people to hunt. We lose anywhere from 40-60 acres of corn a year on the edges of fields to pheasants pulling the plants out to eat the seeds. We feed them and we'll do damn well what we please with the land. That's a fact Jack...and not wrong.
No offence to redneck farmer.. but bubba is right.. however the GFP doesnt see it that way.. they believe in compensating farmers for there loss.. rather than to help eliminate the original threat.. Here in western SD.. over 1.4 million was given to farmers/ranchers for wildlife ruining crops.. but there isnt more than 4-5 of these people that will allow people to depravation hunt???.. do you see the problem???
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Bubba700
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That was kind of what I was thinking when I typed that, I wonder how many people pick up checks for wildlife ruining crops but will not allow people to hunt their property which would fix the problem. I know here in ID the farmers I know are happy for the depredation hunts even know a few that have been know to load elk into trucks with their tractors cause they are thankful that someone took care of a problem for them.
I do agree with the whole..my land.. I do as I want.. however dont go around b!tchn about wildlife eating crops, ruining fences, chasing livestock,etc.. if you wont let people in there to help prevent the problem.. it all goes back to the commercialization of hunting around the world topic..
I see both sides of the table. Growing up in small town, being a member of the FFA in High school then living in Sioux Falls representing farmers, being a small business owner and being a hunter it's easy to see both sides of the argument. My family originally farmed in the Wessington Springs area up until 57 after experiencing crop failures 3 years in a row due to hail and drought. First off to say that not charging for hunting wouldn't make or break a farm or ranch is utter BS. I've sat down with many of farmers in the Wessington Springs Woonsocket area alone who said that starting and hunting operation has saved them from loosing their farm at least 1 time or more. During the Reganomic nightmares of the early 80's, anyone remember the farmers bumper stickers "save the farm export Reagan"? How about watching on the national nightly news all the farms being forclosed on and people kicked off their land? I remember every week my family going to auctions watching the owners in tears by the side and family and friends there trying their best to support them. I remember the drought years before the CRP program and when you couldn't give corn away and it would cost more to harvest it than let it rot in the fields. Farmers slaughtering their entire stock of hogs and selling them in Wallmart parking lot because they couldn't afford to feed them. In my area a guy can make an ok living on about 150 acres and that is a very small farm and I don't think someone could make it on much less. Judging by that hunting to the farmer who operates 1500 acres, in the same area may not make any difference. Further west with poor soil quality it takes alot more land to make it as a dirt farmer. So with that, I disagree that not charging wont make a difference to a farmer after looking people in the eye and they tell you they would have lost the farm without it. Second, someone here swung out the term redneck farmer. Try looking at it from their eyes. City guys or out of staters swing buy couple months out of the year want to go out in their fields, leave gates open, let aniumals out, shoot too close to animals, knock as many ears of corn to the ground in one day and Raccons and deer will do in a month. And leave without so much as a thank you when their done. And it's not just out of staters that are guilty, the local hunters are guilty too. I've learned through my own mistakes of what farmers like and don't like. Most do not like alot of people on their land as laws of large numbers increase the possibility of something going wrong. They like to know who is on their land and why. And they sure as hell won't be told what to do on their own land. I myself have put alot of effort into establishing my relationship with the people that allow me to hunt on their land. I tread lightly (means try not knocking over plants, stressing animals etc), I always check in with them each fall to make sure everything is OK to hunt. Keep open communications as to where their harvesting and when and where livestock are. Stop in and have a cup of coffee with them now and then and shoot the breeze. Send them a thank you card after the season or offer up part of your game (they did after all pay for the seed that fattened that bird up for you to shoot.). Just a couple of weeks ago I was sitting down at the table with a bunch of farmers having coffee at the local American Legion Hall and some were saying they haven't had anyone even stop and ask to hunt and seems to be so few people anymore hunting. One spoke up and said he caught a couple of guys in one of his fields and asked them who gave them permission? They said the dumbest excuse I had ever heard. "It's not posted so we don't need permission!". That's like someone walking into your garage saying it's not posted no trespassing so they came in. And it pisses me off that I put so much care and attention into mantaining my hunting relationship to see some other idiot come rolling through with no respect for the landowner themselves and can potentially screw up my hunting area. Anymore you have a people show up to hunt and they have permission and pretty soon one of them comes up with a couple new guys then the new guys show up a while later with other guys etc. Pretty soon the farmer doesn't know who is on his land anymore and what kind of liability exposure he has out there if someone gets injured on his land by his livestock etc. Alot of them don't want to be the bad guy and say have to say no at that point. So they start of with no right away unless you come accross as one that really has their intrest placed above your own. And that your not going to come draggin 50 different people accross their land. And that's the problem. Alot of people call themselves sportsmen when their actually hunters. Part of being a sportsmen is establishing a relationship with landowners which very, very few people do anymore. Part of that first step is having the balls to approach them and talk to them more than once. What I mean by this is pick out a 5, 1 mile sections and go ask everyone. Who cares if only one says yes out of all of them. Establish a relationship with him and after there's been enough time for word to spread. Go ask the neghbors again if they haven't stopped and asked you by now. And after you establish rapport don't stop!
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NDflatlander
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^^^This is a great post. The posts that have been belittling farmers and their practices are not working to establish geat relations with the land owners. I agree with Fosgate, there are individuals that expect to use our property for hunting but find it hard to say hi to your when hunting season is not right around the corner. We feed the wildlife all year on our land, but we shouldn't have a right to make those who hunt our land pay? What sense does that make?
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skidoorulz
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Here"s another way for everyone to look at it. Alot of landowners are leasing their hunting rights out to outfitters or are allowing people to hunt for a fee. IMHO that is all well and good. It is their property and they damn siure have the right to do with ot as they please. But! in probably 90 to 95% of the cases where people are hiring an outfitter or are paying the landowner for the PRIVALEGE to hunt, those people are trophy hunting only and do not harvest anything without nice racks. So now it is January and the landowner has gone to F&G to get them to open up a damage hunt season cause the deer are eating them out of house and home and now they are more than happy to have local Joe to come out and take care of the problem when it is 20 below zero for free. If I was head of F&G I would tell Joe landowner, Hey we had a season back in November and you would not allow anyone to hunt these creatures without paying a fee. Therefore you can wait till the next season to have the problem taken care of. I have taken far more Does than I ever have Bucks cause generally I was hunting for the meat. And I will be dammed if I will pay anyone for the privalege to shoot a Doe. I look at it as the landowner is doing me a favor by allowing me to hunt. But! I in turn am doing him a favor by eliminating some of the problem that game causes a Farmer or Rancher.
I Think if that were to happen youd see alot more landowners poisoning/shooting them themselves and letting them rot where they lay. If I were the farmer and the Govt wants to tell me what I can and can't do on my land. How hard would it be to put out a mineral lick or corn with decon. That's how I would piss on their parade. Kinda like the ranchers are doing right now in North Western SD in their dispute with GFP and the Govt Hunters for predator control.
Fosgate,
You sound like someone we would be more that willing to let hunt our land. If you ever want someplace to hunt, you let me know sir. We generally don't spend much time hunting because of livestock like I mentioned before, and try to save our stuff for friends and family. The people we won't let hunt are like PCDOC who think they have a God given right to hunt whoevers' land they want to. The only people we allow to hunt are friends, familly, and land lords.
When those of you who ask why wouldn't we allow people to hunt...you have to realize, when these people show up at your doorstep or run into you at town, they ask where they can hunt. Often times it takse a half hour or more of repititively telling them where they can and can't hunt. Many times it's not worth the effort of telling them when they'll just show back up in your yard two hours later with nothing looking for a freebie anyhow. My choice is to find something to get them to quit eating the corn rather than hunters that stop us when we're busy or park in the middle of the road and watch us while we pass them in the ditch.. I think I may have found that. This year will tell more.
You sound like someone we would be more that willing to let hunt our land. If you ever want someplace to hunt, you let me know sir. We generally don't spend much time hunting because of livestock like I mentioned before, and try to save our stuff for friends and family. The people we won't let hunt are like PCDOC who think they have a God given right to hunt whoevers' land they want to. The only people we allow to hunt are friends, familly, and land lords.
When those of you who ask why wouldn't we allow people to hunt...you have to realize, when these people show up at your doorstep or run into you at town, they ask where they can hunt. Often times it takse a half hour or more of repititively telling them where they can and can't hunt. Many times it's not worth the effort of telling them when they'll just show back up in your yard two hours later with nothing looking for a freebie anyhow. My choice is to find something to get them to quit eating the corn rather than hunters that stop us when we're busy or park in the middle of the road and watch us while we pass them in the ditch.. I think I may have found that. This year will tell more.
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thinksnow
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Time to stir the pot some more. There are a lot of good points on both sides of this arguement. One thing that does piss me off is CRP paid hunting. As far as I'm concerned, if someones land is in CRP they should have NO right to charge to hunt it. They have the right to post and know who's on the land, but NO paid huniting. The tax payers are paying the landowner to keep that land inactive.JMO
Ok, now flame away.
Ok, now flame away.
This would open a new can o worms.
Traditionally, hunting rights stay with landowner.
Your scenario would imply landowner relinquishes some rights to renter.
Furthermore, CRP payments are no longer competitive with cash rent in this
area. Therefore, I believe we will see fewer & fewer acres of CRP the way it is.
Your proposal would make it even less appealing to put land into CRP.
I agree that hunting is becoming a "rich mans game". That sucks!
Since there are and will be fewer & fewer people who can financially justify
hunting,
those remaining absolutely have to support the NRA. I see troubles for the NRA
in the future, with smaller % of citizens who pasionately fighting to retain
their 2nd ammendment rights.
Lastly,
PCDOC, has gotten an undeserving black eye in this debate. We are all entightled
to our opinion, and he got jumped on pretty hard for voicing his. I bet we even
helped him see the landowner side of things.!
2 sides to everything
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skidoorulz
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Boy that sure would be the smart thing to do. Don't you think that the livestock would get to the mineral or salt licks. I can see the landowner now out training all his cows, " Now this is a good one and this is a bad one. Don't lick the bad one Bossy" The sight of that makes me laugh. Not only that but there are laws about the landowner killing game. As far as the post about charging fees for hunting on CRP, I never thought about it but I agree, if the govt. is paying to keep it idle then you should not charge to hunt on it, or the govt. gets the fees for hunting that land. Farmers and ranchers are the first ones to tell you they want the govt. to stay the heck away from them and don't tell me what to do with my land but most of them are involved in every cash payment program from the govt. that they can get signed up for. my brother in law who farms and ranches in SD once told me that the farmer rancher are the biggest welfare recipiants in the country. I beleive him
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take a peek at this http://farm.ewg.org/farm/
Only 22% of ND farmers didn't take some sort of gov aid.
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