My Boondocker Pro Cold Air Intake
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It's FUNNY? LMFAO Ya, weird that a guy that sells a turbo kit would try to sell his own kit, what an idiot.
It's also quite the wonderment that the people who bought their kits (I was speaking about both HM and Silber btw, but we'll roll with this) and are happy with them because they got what they paid for (almost $1000 bucks less than you paid btw, not to mention the extra money you've just put into your kit to make it run) and the sleds actually RAN, are praising their kits while you guys complain about yours. LOLSo now you are going to be offered the priviledge to spend some more money with Boondocker... good luck. I hope that they've somehow figured out how to make them run and that's what has been taking up their time lately. I have another theory though. I'm betting they are busy planning on how to do the exact same thing to the new M8 proclimb customers as they did to you. Put out the least tested kit on the market with the cheapest components they can, let their customers do the R&D, and when they are frustrated enough offer an update to relieve them of even more money.
I can see you diehard BD guys just aren't getting it, but you have been taken advantage of. BTW, I'm not trying to sell you guys something, I don't have an axe to grind with BD over some bs from the past, and I don't have any interest in HM, Silber, Turbo Performance or any other shop that I think treats their customers they way they should be treated. I run a business myself, and if I treated my customers like BD has treated theirs... I wouldn't be in business anymore.
Hows it feel to buy a BD setup only to get the same power output as a stock sled does at low elevation...
Oh, and it still wasn't first one on the market, the last one to get dialed in, and in the end $2k more than Silbers...
It's FUNNY? LMFAO Ya, weird that a guy that sells a turbo kit would try to sell his own kit, what an idiot.
So now you are going to be offered the priviledge to spend some more money with Boondocker... good luck. I hope that they've somehow figured out how to make them run and that's what has been taking up their time lately. I have another theory though. I'm betting they are busy planning on how to do the exact same thing to the new M8 proclimb customers as they did to you. Put out the least tested kit on the market with the cheapest components they can, let their customers do the R&D, and when they are frustrated enough offer an update to relieve them of even more money.
I can see you diehard BD guys just aren't getting it, but you have been taken advantage of. BTW, I'm not trying to sell you guys something, I don't have an axe to grind with BD over some bs from the past, and I don't have any interest in HM, Silber, Turbo Performance or any other shop that I think treats their customers they way they should be treated. I run a business myself, and if I treated my customers like BD has treated theirs... I wouldn't be in business anymore.
But BD is in business. They have been in business for a long time and won't be going out of business anytime soon. I believe their sales have been growing every year. They own a very high percentage of the 2 stroke turbo market and sponsor Brett Rasmussen, Chris Burandt, Dan Adams, Keith Curtis (2011 Jackson Hill Climbs King of Kings) Tapio Bros., I even ran into a trailer full of Klim guys a few weeks ago and they were all running BD kits and were very happy with them. May I also mention BD is 30 minutes from some of the most extreme mountian riding on the planet, they ride almost everyday testing product and have probably forgot more about making turbos work than some of these other builders have ever learned.
Is there even a slight chance it could be you that has a problem. LOL
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Seriolusly? WTF are you even talking about? LMFAO! Because they give away their product to some of the best riders around that makes them a great company? Get a clue.
BTW, I have NO problems, zero, nada, none... that was kinda my point to begin with.
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NDflatlander
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I have ridden with and ridden the Silber set-ups and have not seen any of the sleds that I have been around have to play around with settings other than the settings that Justin has give them from the get go. I can't say that for the BD set ups that I've seen, it looks like each of those riders is playing a video game everytime they're stopped. I would much rather play video games inside, and ride sled while I'm outside. Although, BD is supposed to be near some of the best riding in the States the company hasn't been very successful in finding a good set up across the board. Justin, whom a few laid a few digs on because he doesn't live in the mountains, has spent the time and money tuning his turbos so his customers can be happy out of the box. I know who is going to get my money for 2012, and leave me with enough left over money for an additional trip west...
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savedbygrace
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Here it is!
This is a prototype, early productions should be ready in a few weeks. By the way the first one out will be free, we will fill you in on the details soon.
Two injectors, Full sized intercooler, With Fan & ADA, Side by side comparison with the core brand X (silber) uses.
You guys keep talking We’ll keep working…
Thanks,
Junior & Jared
This is a prototype, early productions should be ready in a few weeks. By the way the first one out will be free, we will fill you in on the details soon.
Two injectors, Full sized intercooler, With Fan & ADA, Side by side comparison with the core brand X (silber) uses.
You guys keep talking We’ll keep working…
Thanks,
Junior & Jared
Nor do I have a problem, and nor do any of the guys referenced in my post (who BTW can choose who's kits they ride) have a problem, but for some reason it drives you nuts that we don't. If I were you and I had a bone with a company as established and sucessfull as BD I'd be asking myself what was wrong with me. I'm just saying....
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savedbygrace
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I know right… it’s a good thing its still snowing… isn’t it great….
See ya Hobbs!
Junior
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NDflatlander
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So it took until the end of a season to come with the fixes that should have been out when the kit originally came out? What is even more appalling is that it appears to be a half azzed copy of your competitor who has had this thing figured out from the get go, and you have the balls to point out that your intercooler may be a little bigger, but post a typical fisherman's photo of your intercooler positioned covering up half of "company x" and in a way forward position. Way to go team BD! I have a feeling I'll be standing in line behind many guys going the Silber direction next year...
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Thanks for the response Junior, couple more questions...
How far is your intercooler sitting in front of Justins, my depth perception is bad... can you give us actual dimensions of the two?
Will this kit finally run on pump gas or is RG still need to be added to be safe?
Why did the 3 injector setup get scrapped for the silber inspired setup above? I thought when the kit first came out the 3 injector setup was the way to go?
Will users be able to get more than 400 miles on a set of reeds?
Cost of upgrade if you aren't the first one on the list?? Boost numbers after this upgrade?
Thanks
How far is your intercooler sitting in front of Justins, my depth perception is bad... can you give us actual dimensions of the two?
Will this kit finally run on pump gas or is RG still need to be added to be safe?
Why did the 3 injector setup get scrapped for the silber inspired setup above? I thought when the kit first came out the 3 injector setup was the way to go?
Will users be able to get more than 400 miles on a set of reeds?
Cost of upgrade if you aren't the first one on the list?? Boost numbers after this upgrade?
Thanks
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savedbygrace
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We’re the copy cats now?
Wow! Where did you come from Man?
The junk your homie is pushing looks a lot like a poor attempt at a copy of the original Boondocker Dragon intercooler, which by the way has evolved tremendously since then.
Every time it’s the same half dozen or so guys, bashing Boondocker and plugging brand X (who ever that happens to be at the time).
I am not trying to sell you naysayers anything, but I would like to clear some of the smoke, so the guys that are running Boondocker products can see though the trash talk.
We covered half of the brand x core up in the picture, because that is how much of the core they are using, half of a core that is already not very efficient. I’m sorry if you purchased one of these gimmicky little coolers, because you couldn’t wait for the real thing. But at best maybe you could send it back for the refund that seemed to be promised if you didn't like it…?...
Boondocker spent this season bringing the Pro turbo to the level that it is. We needed a solid foundation to build on. Now that we have that foundation, we can bring real improvements that truly perform. This same kit did win King of the Kings at Jackson, and 800 mod at every other race this year, with zero failures. In fact Boondocker has won mod King at every RMSHA event for three years running now. The same devotion to performance, and technology that drive us at the races goes into every Boondocker production turbo kit.
This new intercooler is a continuation of that, and it rips, 14.5 psi on 110 octane and that was with a higher compression head!
Junior
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RidnHigh
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So you covered up the intercooler and placed yours in front of it to prove that was how much was used of brand X's cooler and that yours was more efficient....? BY just using a picture with no description?? Just Seems like leaving alot to the imagination to us customers, and I would guess most people looked at it just the same as others who have already posted have, I know I did. Question for you, it appears that your cooler core isnt used on the outer 1/4 of the cooler where the core runs into the frame support. Is the end just welded shut or is there a quick angle forcing the air into the direction of the throttle bodies? If so one would think that outer 1/4 of the BD core wouldn't be very efficient itself.
Either way I think we would all like to have the answers to our questions rather than have the only response on this thread be to come on and promote the prototype product that isnt released yet and bash on the people that are writing on here....
Please Answer....
WOODZY
Thanks for the response Junior, couple more questions...
How far is your intercooler sitting in front of Justins, my depth perception is bad... can you give us actual dimensions of the two?
Will this kit finally run on pump gas or is RG still need to be added to be safe?
Why did the 3 injector setup get scrapped for the silber inspired setup above? I thought when the kit first came out the 3 injector setup was the way to go?
Will users be able to get more than 400 miles on a set of reeds?
Cost of upgrade if you aren't the first one on the list?? Boost numbers after this upgrade?
Thanks
what happened to the 2 guys with silber setups on their dragons that they didn't run for crap out in island park for 3 days? As I recall he was supposed to even ride with them to help them dial them in when they got there and ..... he wouldn't even pick up the phone.
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RidnHigh
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I believe if you take the time to go back and read the thread completely, Justin got on there right away and nipped those complaints in the butt with the truth, or atleast the other side of the story. Either way there was an explanation, and publicly stated fix to there problems. Whether or not that was the end of it I dont know but the thread died. Food for thought go back through the 14 pages of Turbo threads and since this has become more or less a BD vs. Silber thread read all the threads on bd and silber and see what yout hink of this years satisfaction...
and the large portion of yours that is necked down to fit around the frame flows awsome??
I, from an engineering standpoint and curious how you determined which one is more efficient? and how much of it is actually seeing air? are you doing solid modeling of it and running flow simmulations or just guess and checking. I dont own a turbo pro and will never own one, BUT, I am curious as to what your doing to make these comments as i have worked with some custom intercooler designs and was rather suprised what affected flow throught the cores.
Also, is the fan a push or a pull?
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