My Boondocker Pro Cold Air Intake

[ghost rider]

boondocker

I'm not brand loyal but BD makes a good kit and i like their box over a dobek. BD should have told everyone that the kits were pump gas only from the start (meaning 5 to 7lbs boost max). Sure u can turn it up higher for a run but long term riding creates to much heat and thus det issues. I do have mine tuned great and would love to run it against any silber kit.
As for taking Justin up on his offer sounds great but theres a lot more to it then just bolting it on and riding(plumbing changes, fuel controller box change, etc.) that all costs money. And yes i'm sure most all were waiting for boondocker to come up with a fix that didn't cost a lot more $(I was). So i'm making what i have work and it works pretty dam good.
The dual injector fuel rail isn't new, i've got it on my Cat turbo. The air to air intercooler or water intercooler aren't new either. But Silber and HM did implement it in their kits and cudos to them. Boondocker will make their kit right you can gurantee that but it's to bad it's almost May.

 

[allblowdup]

I agree Silber make a good kit as does hm but I also like the BD box better. Yes ther is alot more to it than just bolting Justins kit and going. Bd has some great things going for as do the other turbo kits but they all have there issues. On the PRO these are the issues that we see with the BD system. When BD gets us an intercooler then we will need the third injector and the power will be there.

 

[dmkhnr]

Well, after talking to a couple of guys that are in the know, it seems that the third injector with a cold air intake will make the boondocker setup a contender.
I'm looking forward to testing this new setup out.
I'm not one who is going to throw another $1000.00 at boondocker for an intercooler and 2nd set of injectors, it should have come with these parts in the first place. If turning on the 3rd injector doesn't work I'll sell the kit and buy an HM turbo.

 

[Arcteryx]

Well, after talking to a couple of guys that are in the know, it seems that the third injector with a cold air intake will make the boondocker setup a contender.
I'm looking forward to testing this new setup out.
I'm not one who is going to throw another $1000.00 at boondocker for an intercooler and 2nd set of injectors, it should have come with these parts in the first place. If turning on the 3rd injector doesn't work I'll sell the kit and buy an HM turbo.

I completely agree. This is also the reason I haven't taken Justin's (Silber) offer to fix my turbo. I am not one to throw another $1,000 out there right now to fix a problem that should have been right to start with. I have been waiting for BD to make things right and not on my dollar. However, they don't appear to be stepping up or even giving us an idea what to expect.
I'm at the point now where I am considering just selling the BD kit as is and starting new with a Silber or HM.

Hobbes was right. BD has "talked the talk" from day 1 but so far they haven't done much as far as "walking the walk". And if they seriously put a 3rd injector in there that we don't use or won't use and then expect us to pay for a different set up with a fourth injector I am done with them forever!!! What company charges a premium price, screws up and designs a product with features you can't use, then turns around and says we are going to charge you another $1,000 to make our product work like we said it would in the first place.

The longer this goes on the more pissed I become and still.... No one from Boondocker seems to be anywhere around to answer these questions. It's like the customer service line rings disconnected, which is never a good sign!!

 

[theshadowrider]

BD

I would have to partially agree with Hobbes in the fact it seems to be taking BD forever to come out with their intercooler update. But in BD's defense, Hobbes ask brycter whose fuel controller they are using on their turbo pro?

 

[hobbes]

I would have to partially agree with Hobbes in the fact it seems to be taking BD forever to come out with their intercooler update. But in BD's defense, Hobbes ask brycter whose fuel controller they are using on their turbo pro?

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Did I say that Boondocker's fuel controller doesn't work?

It IS taking BD forever to come out with their intercooler update, I can only hope that means they are doing the testing necessary to make it work right OUT OF THE BOX. This is a GOOD thing. Maybe if they'd taken this long to get the actual turbo KIT out it would run like Junior claims it does. Why is it there are SOOO many unhappy BD customers here? Why is it that there are many customers (myself included) of other's kits runing 12-13 lbs of boost WITHOUT an intercooler and they run just fine, without eating reeds? I guess Junior must have given them enough books, taught them how to read, and hand fed them the pages... I can't believe after all this that some of you guys stick up for BD yet. I'm not trying to start anything here, I honestly hope you guys do figure it out (unfortunately it IS up to you right now because BD is mysteriously absent) because running these pro's at 12 lbs boost is FUN! ESPECIALLY when you don't have to buy reeds every 200 miles.

 

[HandFullThrottle]

It would be a good idea to realize BD probably owns 75 to 80 percent of the 2 stroke turbo market. They have a lot more kits out there than either of the other two builders getting referenced in this thread. I know guys running both Silber and HM kits who are having problems and are just as frustrated as some of the BD riders are. I also know plenty of guys who now have close to 2000 miles on their BD kits and they have ran flawless myself being one of them. If BD has problems with 3% of their kits its going to appear as a much bigger problem than 3% of any other kit builder. It's the price you pay to be No. 1.

I learned a long time ago regardless what the builders want you to believe you can't just buy a kit from a builder and install it on your sled and expect it to work. If you believe you can do this you probably won't be happy with any kit. Your sled may work, but it will probably never run as good as the guy next to you who knows how to tune regardless what kit he has. I ride with 5 guys all running BD kits on 800 Pro's. They all work great, but none of us have the same clutching, fuel settings, fuel octane, track tension, throttle cable tension, etc. We all started out with the same kit, but by the time we each got our individual sleds working they were all setup different and my setup won't work on their sleds and vice versa. Unfortunately a builder can't always fix your problem over the phone, and they can't tune everyone of their customers sleds individually so you might have to take some responsbility and figure out why your sleds won't work as good as the guy next to you. Silber, HM, BD all work amazing when set up right. Your turbo kit will come with as good of a baseline as your builder can provide, from there it's up to you to get it dialed.

 

[dmkhnr]

I don't think there are any actual bd owners on this thread that are having running issues with the bd turbo. Mine runs flawless at 9#.
I think the problem is that there are other turbo's making alot more power than the bd setup at a comparable 8-9# (I would even say that others 6# has more power than bd's 9#) The cold air intake has eliminated the need for an intercooler, as seen by my charge temps. However, now that the charge temps are down, the need for fuel is apparent as it just doesn't pull like a 200+hp sled. (I've ridden alot of 220+hp turbo sleds)
Now that I've found out that the 3rd injector can be activated, I will try it out tomorrow, I've been told that with the 3rd injector, I should see the 200+ hp that I expect.
I'll report back.

 

[theshadowrider]

I don't think there are any actual bd owners on this thread that are having running issues with the bd turbo. Mine runs flawless at 9#.
I think the problem is that there are other turbo's making alot more power than the bd setup at a comparable 8-9# (I would even say that others 6# has more power than bd's 9#) The cold air intake has eliminated the need for an intercooler, as seen by my charge temps. However, now that the charge temps are down, the need for fuel is apparent as it just doesn't pull like a 200+hp sled. (I've ridden alot of 220+hp turbo sleds)
Now that I've found out that the 3rd injector can be activated, I will try it out tomorrow, I've been told that with the 3rd injector, I should see the 200+ hp that I expect.
I'll report back.

How do you activate it, how did you find out?

 

[Arcteryx]

I don't think there are any actual bd owners on this thread that are having running issues with the bd turbo. Mine runs flawless at 9#.
I think the problem is that there are other turbo's making alot more power than the bd setup at a comparable 8-9# (I would even say that others 6# has more power than bd's 9#) The cold air intake has eliminated the need for an intercooler, as seen by my charge temps. However, now that the charge temps are down, the need for fuel is apparent as it just doesn't pull like a 200+hp sled. (I've ridden alot of 220+hp turbo sleds)
Now that I've found out that the 3rd injector can be activated, I will try it out tomorrow, I've been told that with the 3rd injector, I should see the 200+ hp that I expect.
I'll report back.

I agree with a lot of this. Mine runs great at 8lbs. but after that it doesn't. Last ride at 8lbs. my charge temps were 195. I paid over 5k for this kit and install and would like to see a 200+ hp sled as a result.
Would love to hear how to activate the 3rd injector if it works out for you. Let us know what happens.

Regardless of marketshare, kit volume or historical performance, BD is out of the loop right now. They are behind the other kit manufactures (at least on the Pro) in regards to HP, intercoolers, intakes, etc. And again they are mysteriously absent right now and have been for months. That's the big deal for me. We are getting our information from people like dmkhnr who are making their own intakes, providing information, doing research, learning how to activate the 3rd injector. I appreciate the he(( out of dmrhnr for doing all of this. I just can't understand why we are hearing this from a customer and not the manufacture?????

 

[dmkhnr]

I can't take credit for the 3rd injector, as I got all my info from a guy who knows a hell of alot more about these bd kits than I do, and is still refining the injector.

I will say that the cold air intake is a must on this sled, I rode today in high 40* weather and with the 3rd injector active at 7# my charge temps were never above 139* in fact the hill I was testing on is a big steep pull and I was making runs with charge temps in the 120's*

I was running with a race gas push cat who still had more pony's than me with less boost, but my 9# was spotless.

I'm running too steep of helix, and want to change back to a 42 or 44 finish which I'm positive will be of benefit.

 

[theshadowrider]

I can't take credit for the 3rd injector, as I got all my info from a guy who knows a hell of alot more about these bd kits than I do, and is still refining the injector.

I will say that the cold air intake is a must on this sled, I rode today in high 40* weather and with the 3rd injector active at 7# my charge temps were never above 139* in fact the hill I was testing on is a big steep pull and I was making runs with charge temps in the 120's*

I was running with a race gas push cat who still had more pony's than me with less boost, but my 9# was spotless.

I'm running too steep of helix, and want to change back to a 42 or 44 finish which I'm positive will be of benefit.

Any idea why BD has this injector turned off? Seems like very beneficial to run it. Did you turn the boost up and try it at high boost?

 

[Anthony Oberti]

I can't take credit for the 3rd injector, as I got all my info from a guy who knows a hell of alot more about these bd kits than I do, and is still refining the injector.

I will say that the cold air intake is a must on this sled, I rode today in high 40* weather and with the 3rd injector active at 7# my charge temps were never above 139* in fact the hill I was testing on is a big steep pull and I was making runs with charge temps in the 120's*

I was running with a race gas push cat who still had more pony's than me with less boost, but my 9# was spotless.

I'm running too steep of helix, and want to change back to a 42 or 44 finish which I'm positive will be of benefit.

So what are you doing for clutching? Like I said, the 54/44 with 72 EPIs is good.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

And for what it is worth, I can tell a difference on my sled between 8lbs and 10lbs. However, interested to see what BD comes out with....I know they are testing things right now.

 

[HandFullThrottle]

I agree with a lot of this. Mine runs great at 8lbs. but after that it doesn't. Last ride at 8lbs. my charge temps were 195. I paid over 5k for this kit and install and would like to see a 200+ hp sled as a result.
Would love to hear how to activate the 3rd injector if it works out for you. Let us know what happens.

Regardless of marketshare, kit volume or historical performance, BD is out of the loop right now. They are behind the other kit manufactures (at least on the Pro) in regards to HP, intercoolers, intakes, etc. And again they are mysteriously absent right now and have been for months. That's the big deal for me. We are getting our information from people like dmkhnr who are making their own intakes, providing information, doing research, learning how to activate the 3rd injector. I appreciate the he(( out of dmrhnr for doing all of this. I just can't understand why we are hearing this from a customer and not the manufacture?????

Did you all forget the kits you bought were not designed to run over 8 pds of boost. Remember when BD did some research on this forum a few years ago and there were hundreds of posts demanding a PG kit that would run up to 5-7 pds of boost? No intercooler, no holes in the hood for intakes, no BOV's, no fuel mixing, just a simple PG kit that was easy to install. If BD could provide a PG kit that could produce a true 170 to 180 hp at elevation that was all the 2 stroke market wanted and they would live happily ever after. Well, that's what they built, and that's what you bought. BD did exactly what we said we wanted them to do and from what I can tell the BD kit works as well if not better than any kit on the market running PG and keeping it all under the hood. The real problem is, as was predicted at the time by several guys, how long would we really be happy with a true PG kit. I guess the answer is about 3 years. Now all of the sudden 5-7 pds is not enough and it's BD's fault their PG kit won't make the HP other builder kits will make at 8-12 pds of boost with intercoolers and cold air intakes. BD does not have a race gas kit on the market for the RMK yet. I have seen them on the mountain and I know for a fact the guys from BD are not running PG kits. BD has a lot more experience at building and marketing turbo kits than any of these other builders and when they're ready to release a kit to run over 8 pds of boost it will be worth the wait.

BTW, adding any amount of RG to PG eliminates the kit from being a PG kit.

 

[hobbes]

Did you all forget the kits you bought were not designed to run over 8 pds of boost. Remember when BD did some research on this forum a few years ago and there were hundreds of posts demanding a PG kit that would run up to 5-7 pds of boost? No intercooler, no holes in the hood for intakes, no BOV's, no fuel mixing, just a simple PG kit that was easy to install. If BD could provide a PG kit that could produce a true 170 to 180 hp at elevation that was all the 2 stroke market wanted and they would live happily ever after. Well, that's what they built, and that's what you bought. BD did exactly what we said we wanted them to do and from what I can tell the BD kit works as well if not better than any kit on the market running PG and keeping it all under the hood. The real problem is, as was predicted at the time by several guys, how long would we really be happy with a true PG kit. I guess the answer is about 3 years. Now all of the sudden 5-7 pds is not enough and it's BD's fault their PG kit won't make the HP other builder kits will make at 8-12 pds of boost with intercoolers and cold air intakes. BD does not have a race gas kit on the market for the RMK yet. I have seen them on the mountain and I know for a fact the guys from BD are not running PG kits. BD has a lot more experience at building and marketing turbo kits than any of these other builders and when they're ready to release a kit to run over 8 pds of boost it will be worth the wait.

BTW, adding any amount of RG to PG eliminates the kit from being a PG kit.

FYI, myself and SEVERAL others are running 8-12 lbs boost WITHOUT intercoolers or cold air intakes and they run HARD without eating reeds. I know of at least 2 sleds with 1200 miles on the stock set of reeds running 12 lbs boost. From what several BD customers have posted on this and many other threads on this forum, it sounds like they HAVE TO ADD RACE FUEL JUST TO RUN 7-8 lbs of boost or it will set off the DET sensor and eat their reeds. I'm sure everyone on here realizes they bought a "pump gas kit", thanks for reminding all of us. So enlighten us... are you running 100% pump fuel in your sled and if so at what elevation and boost? I gotta tell ya, if I were you and me and 5 buddies of mine had to eff around with our sleds for half a year just to get a pumpgas turbo kit to run, and we all ended up running entirely different setups, I'D BE PRETTY PISSED OFF! LMFAO

While we are at it... why don't you give us all the details surrounding those HM and Silber kits you've been around with all the "problems". What is going on with them? What was the fix? Were those guys able to get some help from Justin or Shane? Or was it like BD and left them out in the cold to tune their sleds 8 different ways from Sunday to get them to run? Here's a news flash, myself and a buddy installed our Silber kits, put in the settings and clutching that was recommended from Justin, AND THEY RAN SPOT ON WITHOUT TOUCHING A THING! Wow, NOVEL CONCEPT!

 

[gmustangt]

Here's a news flash, myself and a buddy installed our Silber kits, put in the settings and clutching that was recommended from Justin, AND THEY RAN SPOT ON WITHOUT TOUCHING A THING! Wow, NOVEL CONCEPT!

Good to hear as im planning on a silber kit for my 12 pro!
and im no mod sled builder/tuner...lol

 

[Arcteryx]

Did you all forget the kits you bought were not designed to run over 8 pds of boost. Remember when BD did some research on this forum a few years ago and there were hundreds of posts demanding a PG kit that would run up to 5-7 pds of boost? No intercooler, no holes in the hood for intakes, no BOV's, no fuel mixing, just a simple PG kit that was easy to install. If BD could provide a PG kit that could produce a true 170 to 180 hp at elevation that was all the 2 stroke market wanted and they would live happily ever after. Well, that's what they built, and that's what you bought. BD did exactly what we said we wanted them to do and from what I can tell the BD kit works as well if not better than any kit on the market running PG and keeping it all under the hood. The real problem is, as was predicted at the time by several guys, how long would we really be happy with a true PG kit. I guess the answer is about 3 years. Now all of the sudden 5-7 pds is not enough and it's BD's fault their PG kit won't make the HP other builder kits will make at 8-12 pds of boost with intercoolers and cold air intakes. BD does not have a race gas kit on the market for the RMK yet. I have seen them on the mountain and I know for a fact the guys from BD are not running PG kits. BD has a lot more experience at building and marketing turbo kits than any of these other builders and when they're ready to release a kit to run over 8 pds of boost it will be worth the wait.

BTW, adding any amount of RG to PG eliminates the kit from being a PG kit.

LMAO!!! Ah ya,
1) The kit "I bought" was supposed to run at up to 12 lbs. psi (on the stock 2 injectors) per a conversation I had with Jared from BD. Yes this would require mixing some race fuel which I am used to doing. And per several other people at BD, there would be an upgrade kit out soon to help us reach higher boost levels.
2) I wasn't involved with the research BD did here on the forum a couple years ago so don't reply directly to me saying that I was part of that group. So when you say "boondocker did exactly what we wanted them to, don't include ME in your WE and I dare say there are plenty others on here that shouldn't be included in that too.
3) You said that from what you can tell the BD kit runs as good if not better than the other PG kits and they keep it all under the hood. Ah, from what I've seen there are plenty of other PG kits that keep it all under the hood. In fact they all look pretty similar with just gauges and fuel controller (maybe an EBC) sitting outside the hood. Under the hood is where you might see more differences ie billet throttle body boots, ceramic coated parts, and and intercooler for silber's kits. How does that "under the hood" comparison sound??
4) The BD kit will be well worth the wait????? God I hope so!! What a wait it has been so far! How much longer do we have to wait for this upgrade? Will the intercooler be water to air or air to air, will there be a cold air intake, what is going to happen with our 3rd injector (will it be castrated in favor of adding 2 more), and the biggest question is HOW MUCH MORE IS ALL OF THIS GOING TO COST ME IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY I HAVE ALL READY PAID OUT FOR MY KIT????

"BTW, adding any amount of RG to PG eliminates the kit from being a PG kit"

I thought this was pretty funny cause every conversation I have had with BD they have told me to mix in a little race fuel ... "just to be on the safe side". I guess this makes all their PG kits, RG kits. And if that's the case many of us out here are running very expensive, low boost producing kits, that eat reeds and run high charge temps. But again we have 3 injectors so that is pretty cool.

 

[Spur]

Awsome, this is like the good old days on Snowest. LOL

 

[dmkhnr]

Funny how the Sibler kits get pushed not only by the guy who developed them, but by various customers.

I called Sibler last week and left a detailed message regarding the offer for the update kit with the intercooler and injectors. I never got a return call.

The BD pro kit was never pushed as a pump gas kit. Hell, I wouldn't waste my money on a pump gas turbo.

When you go to boondockers site, there is clearly a detailed explanation of their pump gas offerings, all stating pump gas kit, they also have details of kits with intercooler options, ebc options, push to pass options so on and so forth.
I bought a pro turbo kit with all the options available, nowhere does it say pump gas low boost kit. My kit runs 9# flawless, and now after doing my own modifications, I will say that it exceeds 200 hp.

From what I've been told, bd will offer an air-air intercooler with 2 aux injectos 1 of which will be your current 3rd injector and an additional one that comes with the kit.