My Boondocker Pro Cold Air Intake

[dmkhnr]

Just finished it this afternoon, will be testing it out tomorrow.

Made a block off plate for the stock intake cover, ran a 3" intake tubing with 2-45* turns and vwhalla. When I talked to boondocker they were working on a cold air intake, but concerned about customers having to drill a hole in their hood. No need here!!

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[Ryanlilly]

Very nice!

 

[kbl6z]

That looks sweet. Nice job.

 

[bighole1818]

I like your style.

 

[roostnxp]

Looks nice!! Is there a reason for not just plumbing right into the stock airbox? Seems like lots of air could pass through the two stock air intakes.

 

[turbonium]

Has anyone used the stock intake? If you added a high flow intake that would help too.

 

[colorado_matt]

Looks very nice. Do you have any concern with tearing it on branches, maybe carry a spare prefilter?

 

[dmkhnr]

Another option is to leave the stock mesh vent in place, and plumb the intake directly into the back side of it. You would use the existing vent foam to seal it off. I would put the boondocker air sock over the intake opening and pull it tight with a rubber 3" coupling acting as a double intake screen.
I think this idea would work great for spring riding, but not sure about deep powder, as the small 3" opening against the intake mesh is a small surface area. I can't remember if powder builds up on the stock intake screens or not.

 

[dmkhnr]

Ran it on a beautiful spring day, with outside air temps in the low 50's. Charge tube temps peaked in the 150 range, and hovered in the 130 range. My intake tube was ice cold to the touch, even though it bridges over the exhaust pipe. My fueling needed to be tuned up mid/hi starting 5k rpm and up. No det, no missing, no problems whatsoever.

Wet heavy snow, sinking in about 1', mid 50's for track speed, with a straight 48 helix and 8100 rpm. I've seen up over 70 mph but 50's seems to be where it consistently runs. I want to try a 54/44 helix as I don't have much pull on top with the 48.

I'm a little confused, as bd is the only turbo builder who doesn't have an intercooler. They are also the only builder that uses the stock 2 injectors. With my cooler charge temps, and nice plug color, I don't see where an intercooler or added fuel injector would be needed, however I do know that bd is making the least amount of power. Anybody have some light to shed?

 

[Anthony Oberti]

I run a 54/44 helix with 72's and it runs real good.

 

[Arcteryx]

I'm a little confused, as bd is the only turbo builder who doesn't have an intercooler. They are also the only builder that uses the stock 2 injectors. With my cooler charge temps, and nice plug color, I don't see where an intercooler or added fuel injector would be needed, however I do know that bd is making the least amount of power. Anybody have some light to shed?

Nice work on your intake!

Were you meaning that BD is making the least amount of power or making the least amount of boost??? I know that they aren't able to run as much boost as the others but I guess I am wondering if lb for lb they are making less power??
So are other kits at 8lbs. making more than BD at 8 lbs. or other kits are just able to run more than 8lbs. period which is where alot of the BD kits are having to stop??

I'm confused as he(( over the whole BD thing myself. Cold air intake, water to air or air to air intercooler, 3rd injector.... I mean what the freak is the road map going forward??? Especially for those of us who purchased our kits on faith or previous BD experience or a combination of the 2. Mine does run well at 8lbs. but I bought with the assurance that I would be able to get to 12lbs. and higher very soon after I got my kit. That obviously didn't happen this year. Now I don't even know what to expect for next season.

So again..... what's the Road Map BD???? Semi blind faith isn't cutting it for me anymore.

 

[brycter]

that is exactly like mine works great. except i just used the stock cover and ovaled my 3" pipe. works great and look factory still

 

[dmkhnr]

I'm saying pound for pound the bd isn't making the power that it should. I run mine at 9# with 50/50 race/non eth 91 with no det or stumbling. I've run up to 11#, and my take is from 8-11 there is little to no hp increase. At 10# I should be walking away from an 8# setup and I'm not.
Can't be the intercooler, as my charge temps are now very useable. I'd like to figure out how to fire the 3rd injector to see if that boosts power. The push to pass is basically useless, set it at 10, and run at 8. Tell me that pushing that red button makes you climb higher!!! I'd like to figure out a way to have that red button fire the third injector.

 

[allblowdup]

The third injector is a waste UNLESS. You are running enough boost to use it. Having 10 lbs but 250 air temp is not enough to warrant the third injector at altitude. I agree we need to use the third injector but in order to do that we need have the capability of making over 200 hp. Right now I think we are stuck at 190 ish with the current BD setup. Come on intercooler !!

 

[dmkhnr]

The third injector is a waste UNLESS. You are running enough boost to use it. Having 10 lbs but 250 air temp is not enough to warrant the third injector at altitude. I agree we need to use the third injector but in order to do that we need have the capability of making over 200 hp. Right now I think we are stuck at 190 ish with the current BD setup. Come on intercooler !!

I have to agree with your hp speculation, there is no way I'm making anymore than 180 at 9# or 10#. I don't however have 200+ charge temps with the cold air intake.
My confusion comes after talking to several other turbo builders, who insist on needing a 2nd set of injectors. If I have cool charge, and 9# with good plug color, will more fuel add more power? (I don't see why it is needed at this point)
What kind of charge temps will I see with an intercooler? And at what level of boost will I need a secondary set of injectors?
My sled runs great at it's current hp level, however we get into some deep days and sitting at the bottom of a steep and deep bowl while the rg cats climb out on a straight line is shameful.

 

[ghost rider]

boost

I have cold air intake on mine and my third injector on. I have it come on at 6.5lbs and up. It's working great! The third injector can only be turned on or off. U can set it to come on at a boost level but no other adjustment. It works sweet but does consume more fuel. All the injectors run at 60 psi and i'm in the process of regulating my third injector down to 35 psi so i don't waste fuel. The third injector serves 2 purposes, it does cool things down quite a bit and it saves the reeds. Like i said it runs great and now makes boost like it should.
FYI- boondocker will have an intercooler, probably air to air and they will have duel injectors that come along with that just like Silber and the others. It will cost some coin though to upgrade.
For now with the third injector on and a cold air intake i don't think I'm going to need an intercooler.

 

[hobbes]

I have cold air intake on mine and my third injector on. I have it come on at 6.5lbs and up. It's working great! The third injector can only be turned on or off. U can set it to come on at a boost level but no other adjustment. It works sweet but does consume more fuel. All the injectors run at 60 psi and i'm in the process of regulating my third injector down to 35 psi so i don't waste fuel. The third injector serves 2 purposes, it does cool things down quite a bit and it saves the reeds. Like i said it runs great and now makes boost like it should.
FYI- boondocker will have an intercooler, probably air to air and they will have duel injectors that come along with that just like Silber and the others. It will cost some coin though to upgrade.For now with the third injector on and a cold air intake i don't think I'm going to need an intercooler.

Sorry, but I just HAVE to throw my 2 cents in here... Here are some quotes from Junior @ Boondocker in another thread talking about the stock injectors...

Precise fuel control is a must to overcome the above stated low boost thresholds, and the Boondocker control box is the only one able to achieve this precise control as of right now. Now read what I have to say very carefully. The way that the rest of the control boxes out there are controlling the stock injectors is the problem. I’m sure that even the slowest to catch on will get there eventually, but as for right now the Boondocker 3D control box is the only turbo Polaris Pro Control Box that drives the stock injectors properly. This enables Boondocker users to efficiently drive the stock injectors to their maximum capacity. I know that this statement is somewhat vague, but in the present company, I trust that Boondocker customers will understand, why we are reluctant to give away the secrets to why the Boondocker control box is the only control box currently working properly on the Pro.

Snow4… as a Dobeck engineer your tone of frustration is understandable, maybe you should consider spending a little more time making you box work than trying to argue that the Boondocker doesn’t. Enough said.

Inked… we have four Boondocker turbo Pros running at Bear Lake this weekend. I understand that you might be there too. After you have seen them run, and if you want to continue this conversation come find me at the race, I will be more than pleased to conclude this face to face.

As a side note air boxes rigidly mounted to the engine (i.e. through billet throttle body boots) tend to crack.

Junior

Quote:
Originally Posted by brycter
I can only state what we at turbo performance have run into and seen with our own eyes. We are taking a different route then the duals. But i know for a fact stock injectors will not flow 8 psi. and the math equations will back it up.

How many of you guys have datalogged your performance? take a snap shot of it. On and off throttle and elevation changes then you will see really what is going on.

sensors that we are running on our sled to R&d are charge tube temp sensor, boost sensor, tps sensor, afr, egt, rpm, injector duty cycle sensor, 2 fuel pressure guages one on the front side of rail and one on back side, boost guage in the oil tank, Baro sensor, air desity taped to the bars, pressure guage in the pipe. All are being data logged.

Oh Boy… Not sure what else to say… Buy you guys books, send you to school, and all you do is eat the pages…

Brycter,
Maybe you should come to the races too.



Maybe Junior should be reading more books... or possibly do some R&D BEFORE he releases a kit that doesn't do what they claim it does... Now they are going to go to TWO injectors like everyone else and CHARGE YOU GUYS FOR IT???!!! LMFAO And where is Junior now? I see no answers to your guys' questions, no explainations as to what is happening with the 3rd injector or when they will release their intercooler... and I certainly don't see any smart azzed comments like he posted above! What a joke.. I feel horrible for you guys that spent your hard earned dollars on a kit that wasn't tested; isn't pump gas like they claim; needed an update to the boxes before you even got started riding; and in order to make them run like they should have to begin with, they are going to now ask for more of your money to upgrade to a two injector system that they claimed wasn't necessary.

Thank god for people like Brycter, Silber and Shane at HMTurbos for actually putting in the time it takes to make these kits work out of the box... and not leaving it up to your customers to do all the work for you. Not to mention leaving messages on this forum ridiculing others work when yours isn't working to begin with. Sorry for the rant, but this just rubbed me the wrong way... Junior and Boondocker please step up to the plate, admit your shortcomings, apologize to the other builders and your poor customers, and fix your kits before you take another credit card number!

 

[allblowdup]

I am a BD faithful customer but it is really hard not to agree with hobbes. As for the third injector There is definataly power in it and better redd longevity also. The main issues is if the injector is just on or off with a pre set duty cycle then the factory injectors have to be tuned to lean out the right amount when it comes on I would suspect.

SORRY TO TELL YOU BOONDOKER BUT YOU ARE GETTING YOUR BUTT KICKED OVER HERE.

 

[Timbre]

BIG thumbs up to SILBER....he is WAY ahead of the game in my opinion.

Just goes to prove that the Early Bird doesn't always get the worm...

 

[B C]

I really can't believe more of the BD guys haven't taken Justin's offer, moved on and got their BD's running like they should. I've spent a season(s) trying to make the latest and greatest super mod stuff work, it sucks and I'll never do it again. If BD is going to bang you for extra cash anyway, why not spend it getting a proven working kit. JMO.