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MTX hard turning issue, spring snow

ruffryder

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Anyone else notice this with the stock skis on the Nytro MTX? Feels like power steering went out or something.:rolleyes: I think it is the skis with there huge keel on the bottom, makes it very difficult to turn while going slow. Anyone else get the same feeling?
 
Yup, it's the keel making it difficult. I love the skis, and they work great in the powder/slop, but they sure suck when there is a crust on the surface. Did a night ride at MT Baker, and the snow had a crust layer on the top inch. My skis kept on darting. Almost got bucked off a few times.
 
I just went through the same thing. Boondocked all weekend 2 weeks ago. I was so sore that I had a hard time lifting my arms over my head on Monday.

Two words..................................ski pressure!

I had too much ski pressure for the conditions. The fix for me was to move the skid into the "upper" hole in the drop brackets and loosed the center shock (the one just behind the limiter strap) one position.
Those two things made a world of a difference on my Nytro!:)

Note: it did want to wheelie more after the fix:(
 
Is there a specific set of skis that would aid in this situation? If so I would like to get some for my kid's Phazer mtx's as they also have the same problem on hard pack, frozen trails and such.
Hey alrevedup-- do you think the way you did your rear skid would help or hinder the Phazer? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
simmons gen 2

I want to hear from some of the simmons gen 2 owners that have had their nytro out on the heavy hardpack we have right now.

The steering effort when stopped or moving slow is ridiculous with the stockers.
 
Check your lower ball joints!! mine are totally shot and hard to steer.
Back ordered and got to be a better grease seal one out there!
http://www.powderlites.com

So WTF are our options? Break out the cross-country skis again? If there is snow I am on it!

I took a look at mine, sort of, the post makes a creaking noise when I try to turn the skis.:eek: There is also about a 1/4 slop in the lower ball joint, vertically.

So, people with alternate solutions please pipe up, snow is on its way.:face-icon-small-sad
 
i really think these skis were not designed for a rider forward sled. and with that, the front to rear pressure bias is off. plus the keel may be too aggressive for a rider forward sled. with rider forward, in theory you dont need as an aggressive keel due to the amount of weight bias on the front end of the sled. in the powder they may be great, cause you have more turning bite from the keel. on the trail and in set up, crusted or wet snow pack, they are a handfull to say the least.

i went to the powder hounds from slydog with a 1/2 keel protector (skisaver) from bergstrom skegs. http://www.bergstromskegs.com/ without the ski saver they were great on the trail, with a very little push, and limited darting. out in the powder, they didnt want to turn as crisp as the stockers. so i add the keel extender/skisaver, and dialed a bit more ski pressure via front springs and limiter straps. i truely like the way the sled handles now.

before the above i played with every setting on the sled with the stock skis inc toe. and it felt like riding a bull, you never knew where the front was going, and when it got there it didnt want to be there. i also tried the doo pilot 6.9 skis as they are design for rider forward, and the guys on TY were saying they helped their sleds. well, they did help on the trail but, for side hilling and carving the outer keel limited how far you could go up on one ski without having to reef it over, and when you did that it put you into a snap roll turn. no easy way to keep the sled on one ski for very long.

so off those went, and we went with the slydogs. i believe set up and skis are the big answers here. just my .02 ski
 
i really think these skis were not designed for a rider forward sled. and with that, the front to rear pressure bias is off. plus the keel may be too aggressive for a rider forward sled. with rider forward, in theory you dont need as an aggressive keel due to the amount of weight bias on the front end of the sled. in the powder they may be great, cause you have more turning bite from the keel. on the trail and in set up, crusted or wet snow pack, they are a handfull to say the least.

i went to the powder hounds from slydog with a 1/2 keel protector (skisaver) from bergstrom skegs. http://www.bergstromskegs.com/ without the ski saver they were great on the trail, with a very little push, and limited darting. out in the powder, they didnt want to turn as crisp as the stockers. so i add the keel extender/skisaver, and dialed a bit more ski pressure via front springs and limiter straps. i truely like the way the sled handles now.

before the above i played with every setting on the sled with the stock skis inc toe. and it felt like riding a bull, you never knew where the front was going, and when it got there it didnt want to be there. i also tried the doo pilot 6.9 skis as they are design for rider forward, and the guys on TY were saying they helped their sleds. well, they did help on the trail but, for side hilling and carving the outer keel limited how far you could go up on one ski without having to reef it over, and when you did that it put you into a snap roll turn. no easy way to keep the sled on one ski for very long.

so off those went, and we went with the slydogs. i believe set up and skis are the big answers here. just my .02 ski

You are definitely correct, but my sled is hard to turn while it is sitting on a flat surface......... it is HARD to turn anytime.
 
yep, they are backordered.........son of a b#$#@. I don't want my sled sitting at the shop forever while they figure out what the f*&() they are going to do.

errrrrrrr.:mad:
 
so I was looking at options,

zbroz has in stock 43" wide a-arms, but they use the stock upper and lower bushings 450

fabcraft has a set of a-arms for 450, reuses upper ball joint, comes with new lower ball joint. backlog of 2 weeks.

timbersled set for 860 all, new stuff in stock I think


Where is my easy button? I seem to have misplaced it.
 
found the issue, umm I think my ball joint is bad???:eek:

With no weight on the joint
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With weight on the joint
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Close up of gouge in spindle
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Another :rolleyes:
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Think it might be tough to steer??? Should of taken care of this before, I guess.
 
More pics cause I am bored and can't ride. anyone know how to get them out the best? Thinking some heat is in order.....

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sitting down
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standing at attention
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Anyone know how to get the freakin ball joints out? I am using a really big shim with a socket on the bottom of the joint with a bolt through it attached to just the ball at the top.

I think mine were worn so much that the ball might pull through the joint and really screw me.

Anyone have any tips? They have been sitting in penetrating fluid for the last couple of days, and I took the propane torch to heat them up while I was trying to get them out.

No Dice...

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Finally got around to installing the new ball joints. Holy power steering....... It was not the skis... LMAO.

Sadly, I think mine were pretty bad for a long long while....... so long, I can't remember when it turned this easy.

That and my arms have been having quite the workout the last couple hundred miles or so.

New joints with grease fitting.

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Doesn't take much to make me happy. This is all it took.

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i rode a xtx it had viking skis on it night and day difference. they are the same length and same with skis just like on the mtx just don't cut in as deep.
 
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