im a doo guy, i ride a summit 800. i rode with a brand new xp 800, brand new m8 and a turbo nitro. hands down the best point and shoot sled is the turbo. but between the xp and m8 is the m8 easy. they raced on several different hills and on flats. the new m8 rips for a stock sled. it almost beat an 07 m1000 with minor mods. the m1000 only beat it by a sled length. so my .02 is to go with m8.