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M1000 giving me a headache. BOGGING

Just looking for some input here on a 07 M1000. The sled runs great for the first 20-30 miles then it does this bogging act and dropping the idle down to 1100 -1300 RPM after you let off on the throttle after a good run. I can then work the throttle and it willl do one of two things die, or if i can get it past 2700 RPM it will take off and run great. When it does die you can pull the cord 2-3 times and it will start right up. If you stop and let off the throttle it acts up again. I can then let it sit 10 minutes and it can run all day again no problem. I'm hoping some one else had this problem and can point me to a simple fix.
Thanks in advance!
 
There are factory updates now availible that cure the '07-'08 issues. It is more than a reflash, and it is different from '07 to '08. My dealer told me all of the ones they have updated with the latest stuff work perfectly. Having this done would seem cheaper than trying to fart around and guess at it yourself.
 
Ive herd that running premium fuel in the m1000s can ause a bog. Also check the boot on your intake, when they wear out a little bit they can suck close. Just some thoughts....

x2....on NO premium gas...a STOCK m1000 loves 87, and will load up eventually fouling plugs on 91 or better..if your riding at sea-level then extra oct is ok...but above 8k my sled loves 85-87oct... above 11k i only run 85...
 
I'll have to check into the reflash, I know reading on here it seems to be a 50/50 love-hate. I'm worried I'll be one of the luck ones that it will be worse.
I have run nothing but the 87 octane and from 3 different fueling stations with different suppliers.
I'll go out and give the beast a look over on the intake boot and see if I have missed something there.
Thanks for the thoughts,and anymore will be welcome.
 
Just looking for some input here on a 07 M1000. The sled runs great for the first 20-30 miles then it does this bogging act and dropping the idle down to 1100 -1300 RPM after you let off on the throttle after a good run. I can then work the throttle and it willl do one of two things die, or if i can get it past 2700 RPM it will take off and run great. When it does die you can pull the cord 2-3 times and it will start right up. If you stop and let off the throttle it acts up again. I can then let it sit 10 minutes and it can run all day again no problem. I'm hoping some one else had this problem and can point me to a simple fix.
Thanks in advance!

I'll have to check into the reflash, I know reading on here it seems to be a 50/50 love-hate. I'm worried I'll be one of the luck ones that it will be worse.
I have run nothing but the 87 octane and from 3 different fueling stations with different suppliers.
I'll go out and give the beast a look over on the intake boot and see if I have missed something there.
Thanks for the thoughts,and anymore will be welcome.

If your 100% stock, do the update.
If you have any engine mods then the update could be a gamble.

Just my opinion.
 
mine started doing the same type of thing, but early on when it was running pretty well it had a high idle (3000ish rpm) then started bogging, I would make a run at a hill no problem come back down at idle then it would barely idle, touch the throttle and die, then I figured out if I just mashed the throttle it would bog for a seconded then take off, like it was trying to flood the motor but it took off not like it was trying to clear out. I have a 09 m1000 with slp pipe, bdx intake, bdx oil delete, BD box, PCIII, and all slp clutching. I tryed adding fuel with the bd box but either direction and it seemed worse. finally got pi$$ed and crank my Fuel Pressure up 3 lbs then added the full 10% at low range on the PCIII (all you can without a lap top on the PCIII) then added 5 at L 3000 on the bd box and 3 at mid 3000. after that the bog was hardly there and it worked good ( slight hesitation but not real noticeable). I will have to see what happens next time. probably wont even start now.???? I just got the PCIII so I am planning on putting the stock intake back on and run it to slp recommendations to see what happens and if there is more or less power, and work from there. But the PCIII is preprogrammed by slp for there setup and having to add more fuel on the bottom and top makes me think its getting more air with the bdx intake which should mean more power but will take some tunning.

I think with as much of a change as I had to make something is up, may be the stock pipe sensor is going out.
 
mine started doing the same type of thing, but early on when it was running pretty well it had a high idle (3000ish rpm) then started bogging, I would make a run at a hill no problem come back down at idle then it would barely idle, touch the throttle and die, then I figured out if I just mashed the throttle it would bog for a seconded then take off, like it was trying to flood the motor but it took off not like it was trying to clear out. I have a 09 m1000 with slp pipe, bdx intake, bdx oil delete, BD box, PCIII, and all slp clutching. I tryed adding fuel with the bd box but either direction and it seemed worse. finally got pi$$ed and crank my Fuel Pressure up 3 lbs then added the full 10% at low range on the PCIII (all you can without a lap top on the PCIII) then added 5 at L 3000 on the bd box and 3 at mid 3000. after that the bog was hardly there and it worked good ( slight hesitation but not real noticeable). I will have to see what happens next time. probably wont even start now.???? I just got the PCIII so I am planning on putting the stock intake back on and run it to slp recommendations to see what happens and if there is more or less power, and work from there. But the PCIII is preprogrammed by slp for there setup and having to add more fuel on the bottom and top makes me think its getting more air with the bdx intake which should mean more power but will take some tunning.

I think with as much of a change as I had to make something is up, may be the stock pipe sensor is going out.

Increasing your fuel that much all the way across the board didn't make it run to rich? I have the attitude box and I "Think" I have it dialed in pretty good, it seems to run great until it gets that damn bog. I will try messing with it and the fuel pressure reg. a little more.
I'm wondering if there is trouble with the water temp sensor getting warm and causing problems. I have a M8 and have swapped the exh temp sensor and it did not change a thing.
WyoBoy1000 let me know if you find anymore good tips out, a least I'm not the only one with the crazy bog.
 
If your 100% stock, do the update.
If you have any engine mods then the update could be a gamble.

Just my opinion.

KSH I agree on the gamble part and I want to try everything else before that happens. It would be nice if you could try the reflash and if it didn't work go back to what you had!
 
If you have a mod m1000 you want to run 91 octane to be safe.

I didn't think of the temp sensor, I know the turbos have had troubles with them as the motor gets heat soaked. there is a way to wire in a on off switch to over ride this from happening but I can't remember for sure how. I am leaning toward that option now and will try to get one wired up for the next ride so I can test it. any one remember how.
 
havy you tried in plugging your throttle sensor? Had a friends 09 m1000 start bogging yesterday and he just un plugged the throttle sensor( a plug behind the heat shiels near the steering post) and the sled ran fine all day
 
Seeing how mine cleared up with more fuel I don't think it is the throttle saftey switch in the throttle block, If it continues I will unplug just because, also if it was the switch adding fuel wouldn't have changed anything. I think it is one of the sensors between the pipe, temp, or TPS.
 
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ok makes sense, sorry dont know a ton about the m1000s just goin from what issues my friends have had

no prob, its good info for those that don't know about it. To add to it, if it is the problem you can usually get it to rap up to 4000rpm before the governor kicks in then kills it.
 
I see this on the Attitude site. I'm wondering if that is what could be causing the bog. Has anyone done anything like this to get around the temp sensor?

Attitude Water Temp Default Switch

$34.95
Part Number: #86101 Turbo'd or big bored Arctic Cat sleds will default the ECU and at times not start after running them hard without allowing time to cool down. Once this happens you can with up to 15 minutes to restart your sled. The Attitude water temp default switch is the answer. Install this on your sled in minutes and you'll never have to wait again.
 
I see this on the Attitude site. I'm wondering if that is what could be causing the bog. Has anyone done anything like this to get around the temp sensor?

Attitude Water Temp Default Switch

$34.95
Part Number: #86101 Turbo'd or big bored Arctic Cat sleds will default the ECU and at times not start after running them hard without allowing time to cool down. Once this happens you can with up to 15 minutes to restart your sled. The Attitude water temp default switch is the answer. Install this on your sled in minutes and you'll never have to wait again.

Mine starts right back up and runs without problems until I make a pull then it starts acting up. It could still be the temp sensor but its not doing the same thing the temp switch was built for.

If your snowmobile is mainly stock you could have a faulty oxygen sensor or wiring harness. If so, your computer would have to guess at how much fuel to inject and could throw off the Wot or mass airflow sensor causing hesitations/bogging and all that good stuff.

Just a thought,


Could be the pipe sensor as they do make things work funny as they are going out(before they set a code) and There is no mass air flow sensors on these sleds.
 
Wow, lot of ideas. I had this happen on the way back to trailer and I went home and cleaned and ajusted my power valves, problem has not returned. I alway run 92 octain. The pipe sensor might be a good place to check as well. Good luck.
 
Bogging

Changed my plugs today and found the 2nd coil Ignition wire from the pto side had chaffed right apart. Could be causing it to bog.... 08 m1000
 
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