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Lutherans to allow sexually active gays as clergy

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This is sad and embarrassing.
Much like the government, the ELCA has no intention of representing the interests
of its members.



Lutherans to allow sexually active gays as clergy

MINNEAPOLIS – Leaders of the nation's largest Lutheran church voted Friday to allow sexually active gays and lesbians in committed relationships to serve as clergy.

Gays and lesbians are currently allowed to serve as ministers in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America only if they remain celibate. The proposal to change that passed with 68 percent approval.

At 4.7 million members and about 10,000 congregations in the United States, the ELCA is one of the largest U.S. Christian denominations yet to take a more gay-friendly stance on clergy.

The final decision on whether to hire gay clergy in committed relationships will lie with individual congregations.

Some critics of the proposal have predicted its passage could cause individual congregations to split off from the ELCA, as has been the case with other Christian denominations, including the Episcopal Church.

The debate over the so-called "ministry recommendations" got under way first thing Friday, and delegate Al Quie, a former Republican governor of Minnesota, proposed an alternative: "Practicing homosexual persons are excluded from rostered leadership in this church."

The proposal, which would have left the church's policy more or less unchanged, failed. Conservatives had lost an important vote Wednesday night when the convention's 1,045 delegates approved by a two-thirds supermajority a "social statement on human sexuality" that said the ELCA could accommodate diverging views on homosexuality.

The Rev. Katrina Foster, a pastor in the Metropolitan New York Synod, pointed out that the church has ordained woman and divorced people in violation of a literal interpretation of scripture.

"We can learn not to define ourselves by negation," Foster said. "By not only saying what we are against, which always seems to be the same — against gay people. We should be against poverty. I wish we were as zealous about that."
 
From what I heard from a person that has a little more info on this situation.... this decison was pretty much made before the vote was even taken. Amazing how they needed 66% for it to pass and just got 68%.

At the Sioux Falls convention on this they brought in all their youth activity counslors (Augistana College students) and stacked the vote on this one. They were even passing out info on how congregations should be showing more acceptance to homosexual clergy from what I heard.

It still will come down to each congregatins vote on if they want to have activly gay clergy in their church.
 
guess I won't be Lutheran anytime soon, wonder what this will do to their enrollment...so many other choices.

There is but one path to God, but many congregations to choose from.


On a side note, see all the commercials for scientology on TV?
 
A practising gay minister reading from the bible.What next a black heading up the KKK.
 
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Wow....disgusting. 99.9% of Lutherans are conservative....just a guess, but it is a very high percentage. Whatever happened to standing up for what is right? It is sad to see churches with such high populations of good Christians sucumbing to wickedness. We are in the last days brothers....look around.

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It still will come down to each congregatins vote on if they want to have activly gay clergy in their church.

I wish it were that simple.
The truthis that when a congregation "calls" a pastor, it is very unlikely that the pastor will disclose their homosexuality, and once they are approved by the congregation it will be next to impossible to dismiss them.:mad:
At that point, the congregation will experience an exodus of people leaving to go on to another Church, thus bringing on the financial ruin for that particular parish.

I am sorry (no I'm not), but I don't think I can be open minded about this one.
I cannot become comfortable with the idea of a fag as an important role model for our youth. Our young'uns are already being bombarded with mixed messages of ambiguity.
 
God is the same yesterday, today and will be the same tomorrow. His values, statutes, laws and morals do not change. A church that changes with the "times" is not the lords church. By their fruits you can know them.
 
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God is the same yesterday, today and will be the same tomorrow. His values, statutes, laws and morals do not change. A church that changes with the "times" is not the lords church. By their fruits you can know them.

I agree with most your statement,

except I believe almost all churches "change" with the times.
 
this is not all Lutheran religions! It is only ELCA. There are lots of other Lutheran denominations that are not allowing this to happen in their churches.
 
The Rev. Katrina Foster, a pastor in the Metropolitan New York Synod, pointed out that the church has ordained woman and divorced people in violation of a literal interpretation of scripture.

If you have studied this out in other denominations, you will find this is one of the stepping stones to get to this point. Ordination of women, in clear violation of textual evidence, provides the start point for homosexuals in the leadership. As a side note, violation of Jesus' words, "If you love me, keep my commandments" has lead to the formation of hundreds of denominations, almost all who declare that the 10 commandments have been done away with, in one way or another. Only one safe place for the Christian, in the Word.
 
I never read one single reply to this post and alls I can say is "The is an absolute abmomination to our Lord God and saviour Jesus Christ ..and that poor flake will burn in hell forever
have a nice day :)
 
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then simply none are the church of God or Jesus,only one word and one truth,and its the Bible..you change it...you burn...its that simple

There are many many "Bibles", a good percentage of them are buried in the basement of the vatican. The Bible you read is but an interpertation thats been manuplated over and over. Its impossible to read the auctual words, but its as close as we can get, hope its close enough eh?
 
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