Your post also reminded me of riding my old '02 800 RMK. It has some sort of riser on it, but even still, when I jump on it to get it unstuck or just to ride it when I bring someone up, I can't help but feel like my elbows are resting on my knees and having the feeling of no control for boondocking or laying it over without a fight. Again, it's whatever you feel comfortable with, but I think milehighassasin has a point with the Poo guys testing a ton of set-ups coming up with what they build and ultimately sell to the masses. I think those boys can ride (as I saw on my demo day!) and they know what works best! As chassis change, so do the set ups.