Letter to Senator Murray

[Chazmanian]

You don't have to like him, that I respect, but based on many of your comments on here he seems to have a better focus on the issues that concern you than anyone else out there.

I actually think he is kinda funny and would like to have a beer with the dude and hear him off camera or radio....

I can't fact check everything, but I think he does a pretty good job backing up his statements with quotes and video clips that can't be argued. I don't listen to his radio program. It's too fluffy and doesn't get right to the point like the TV show.

Seriously...What happened to his radio show? Thats like morning big city FM radio Improv. Blah.

I don't think his ideas are short term. What ideas are you referring to?

He has a "Faux" approach to the issues facing our country. It just isnt that easy IMO. He also strikes me as a guy who creates oppourtunities for the left where there should not be oppourtunity if that makes sense? He is bizzare and wierd on his TV show....He has had advertisers cut and run. He will essentially say or do anything to make a buck. Thats not the leadership the right needs in the long term. Talk radio show hosts are an odd choice to represent any political party...Good for now while folks are unemployed angry and watching yet another spend fest of the likes we have never seen...No good in the long term when the campaign folks get ahold of some of the content of the "Message".

Calling out corruption isn't a one time thing. The media needs to be watchdogs of our government and be all over their chit 100% of the time. Limiting the power of government, also not a short term thing. This needs to be a continuous effort, for ever. The constitution helped, but by looking at what is going on today it either didn't do a good enough job or it is no longer respected.

Glenn beck just isnt the longterm guy to get er' done...Oh his ranting will help carry the day in 2010 but this is a guy who is dern near pushing for a third party. Third party canidates in 2010/2012 probably will not work out hence his message is one of short term and capitilizing on the current anger brewing in the country.

We need to look at all the other nations on this planet that have succumbed to tyranny and learn from their mistakes. We are heading in the wrong direction. Ask the old timers in your life what they think. They're scared chitless because they know history

See I think that calling our current political makeup Tyranny is too far out there. The last Dem in office would have loved to have had Obama's house and senate. He would have done the same with health care if not been slick enough to pull off single payer....If we had these same bleak economic times it would be safe to assume that Billy would have done some crazy stuff with stimulating the economy as well....An attempt to stimulate...Well at least he would get his Lil' Economy stuimulated under that desk!!

The whole "Scared" thing is wore out....Carl Rove wore that one out early in the 2000's. What we need now from the GOP is a new way...A new direction, a new cause per se. No more of this be scared stuff. Its worn out. We need some foward thinkers with better ideas.

Booohahahahwahahawa....

Hey....Merry Christmas Fvcker!!

 

[V-Man]

He will essentially say or do anything to make a buck. Thats not the leadership the right needs in the long term. Talk radio show hosts are an odd choice to represent any political party...Good for now while folks are unemployed angry and watching yet another spend fest of the likes we have never seen...No good in the long term when the campaign folks get ahold of some of the content of the "Message".

I don't think he'll say anything to make a buck. I believe he truly loves this country. He just found his niche and is laughing all the way to the bank. He's got a lot of endless material right now. If Obama wasn't president and Congress wasn't so out of control he'd still be on CNN.

You mention "that's not the leadership the right needs". I agree completely, he isn't a leader, he's a watchdog. 3rd party is a horrible idea. As my other thread states, there should be no party. I think he is energizing conservatives, politicians will realize this, and maybe we'll elect some honest representation in Washington. A guy can dream, can't he?

Glenn isn't long term, true, but his ideas are. His agenda needs to last forever and has been forgotten my all other major media outlets. He is today's biggest watchdog and all these stations loosing viewership need to wake up and see what the people want.

See I think that calling our current political makeup Tyranny is too far out there.

I didn't say we were living under Tyranny, but it is clear we don't want to go in that direction, and our scale is sliding in that direction. My point was look at all the counties living under tyranny and see how they got there and what mistakes were made along the way. No government = anarchy, too big of a government = tyranny. We need a happy balance in the middle. I'm betting a clear majority thinks gov is too big, too wasteful, and needs to be reigned in.

 

[Chazmanian]

Solid and thoughtful post as usual V-Mang....Then again I dont expect anything less from you!!

Good post rating given with pride in my fellow man whom can debate an issue without being ugly.

That being said....Bad post gas left for Skidoo/BRP!! I just got done dropping my skid assembly to replace the 09' unit with the 10' piece that is supposed to sidehill and turn better....

My gawd. What were the Canucks thinking when they designed the bolts fasteners for that POS.

Now I gotta get my Hyfaxes slid over what has to be 5 Mils of fresh powdercoating on the new rails....Arrrggghh

I came in for a break from the action.

Have a fine night gents!!

 

[duffman]

Chaz, it is obvious to me that you are thinking about this stuff, and I commend you for it, I wish everyone was. I just don't agree with your rant about "big health care" having washington in it's pocket, I think that you are smarter than falling back on that typically liberal piece of propaganda.

I agree that lobbyists are completely out of control, but that is the way the system is currently working. If you are any sort of big buisiness you must have a lobby to look out for your interests, if you don't you will done in by someone elses lobby and the representatives that work for them. What this tells me is that there is no free market in this country. If we did have free markets, there would be no need for lobbyists. So what we do in fact have, is modified capitalism that is tightly regulated by Washigton, which creates the market need for lobbyists. There is no way to regulate our way out of the influence peddling in Washington. Trying to do so would just enlarge the "market" for influence peddling (lobbying). The only way to gut the power of influence in Washington is to do away with big government, and it's regulation.

Now, back to my original point. You have some of the health insurance companies jumping on the "health care" bandwagon. You will notice that not all the insurance companies are in. Wellpoint, the largest private insurer in the country is publishing numbers all over that are saying most peoples premiums are going to immediately go up under this bill (not to mention their additional tax burden). Washington is obviously not very happy about this. Anyway, some companies are on board with congress, some are not. Some have sold out to short term promises that the politicos have made. Once this bill passes, the insurance companies become full vassals of the federal government, living on it's sufferage. At the turn of the century, the federal government had control of 5% of the GDP. Right now, it contols close to 50%. Granted, the overall numbers have grown dramatically in a century, but government has in effect gobbled up 45% of what used to be controlled by individuals and private enterprise. It is currently setting it's sights on another 20% that is "health care".

 

[Chazmanian]

Good post Duff....I'm currently pissed at Skidoo and cant think straight though!!

 

[duffman]

BTW Chaz I feel your pain about BRP. I just got back from buying another $500 worth of primary clutch parts from them, and that is after I completely freshened it before I started riding this year. The other manufacturers will actually sell you a new clutch assembly, that must be a novel idea!

 

[ruffryder]

Chaz, it is obvious to me that you are thinking about this stuff, and I commend you for it, I wish everyone was. I just don't agree with your rant about "big health care" having washington in it's pocket, I think that you are smarter than falling back on that typically liberal piece of propaganda.

I think that is a little naive.... There have been many rules and laws put into place not for the people but for businesses only. Look at Enron, look at the derivatives market. It was a change in laws that allowed these things to happen. Why were the laws changed? Well, who benefited the most from the changes?

I agree that lobbyists are completely out of control, but that is the way the system is currently working. If you are any sort of big buisiness you must have a lobby to look out for your interests, if you don't you will done in by someone elses lobby and the representatives that work for them.

Only because the other companies are using it to screw you too, correct?

What this tells me is that there is no free market in this country. If we did have free markets, there would be no need for lobbyists. So what we do in fact have, is modified capitalism that is tightly regulated by Washigton, which creates the market need for lobbyists. There is no way to regulate our way out of the influence peddling in Washington. Trying to do so would just enlarge the "market" for influence peddling (lobbying). The only way to gut the power of influence in Washington is to do away with big government, and it's regulation.

Do you know of any example that was a completely free market. The problem with free markets is they aren't. They turn into monopolies as there are no rules that govern behavior of businesses, like what market regulations do.

Now, back to my original point. You have some of the health insurance companies jumping on the "health care" bandwagon. You will notice that not all the insurance companies are in. Wellpoint, the largest private insurer in the country is publishing numbers all over that are saying most peoples premiums are going to immediately go up under this bill (not to mention their additional tax burden). Washington is obviously not very happy about this. Anyway, some companies are on board with congress, some are not. Some have sold out to short term promises that the politicos have made. Once this bill passes, the insurance companies become full vassals of the federal government, living on it's sufferage.

Interesting point. What about the "health care exchanges" that are in the bill?

At the turn of the century, the federal government had control of 5% of the GDP. Right now, it contols close to 50%. Granted, the overall numbers have grown dramatically in a century, but government has in effect gobbled up 45% of what used to be controlled by individuals and private enterprise. It is currently setting it's sights on another 20% that is "health care".

Why do you think it has changed? What is the 50% that the government controls? Do you mean indirectly through regulation of markets? Or directly controls?

Another way to look at the above is that "the people" took control from a few private citizens to allow for a more fair market system. The problem is "the people" lost site at the point of the control.

Government = for the people and by the people. If government isn't doing things correctly, it is "the people's" fault. WE have let it get this bad. It isn't government, we let them do it...

 

[duffman]

I still have not received a response, not even a stock letter. Time to redouble my efforts, the next letter will not be so friendly!

 

[duffman]

I finally received my form letter response from Senator Murray. It arrived one day short of a month after I sent my letter. I would think it would take only a couple of days to mail out a stock letter. On the other hand, it is quite fitting that I get the senator's letter expounding on the virtues of their health care reform the very day that it died. R.I.P democrat health care reform