Let's look at aftermarket running boards and what you get for your money

[tkuss]

I see what everyones talking about here. But using the logic that this thread is going on, that the thicker sidewalled ones are better. If a company came out with a design using a solid piece of aluminum, would those then be better than both designs?

Also that " "thicker"material makes them cost 100$ more than the other brand?

I dont own either brand, I just see many flaws in assuming one is better than the other, cause one uses different material.

 

[smokindave]

I see what everyones talking about here. But using the logic that this thread is going on, that the thicker sidewalled ones are better. If a company came out with a design using a solid piece of aluminum, would those then be better than both designs?

Also that " "thicker"material makes them cost 100$ more than the other brand?

I dont own either brand, I just see many flaws in assuming one is better than the other, cause one uses different material.

No butt welds,thicker gauge....I don't own either but I can see which ones I will be getting.

 

[Jeva]

I see what everyones talking about here. But using the logic that this thread is going on, that the thicker sidewalled ones are better. If a company came out with a design using a solid piece of aluminum, would those then be better than both designs?

Also that " "thicker"material makes them cost 100$ more than the other brand?

I dont own either brand, I just see many flaws in assuming one is better than the other, cause one uses different material.

Thats all I was trying to get at and maybe over reacted a little. But just because something costs more doesn't mean its better. The skinz outside rail also has about 10 holes drilled in them. Does that make make them weaker? How does the inside tube thickness compare? I'm not worried about the tube notching considering that's how they build roll cages. Its good to have choices, i will leave it at that.

 

[goridedoo]

 

[ullose272]

id just like to say my brand x running boards are sweet

 

[nomasittinright]

I'd also like to say that my brand x boards are amazing never had a problem and are very strong. Brand x's front bumper is way better looking than the ugly contraption that brand A came up with

 

[B&M Fabrications]

Brand X

Paul / Sled Solutions,

I would like to personally thank you for purchasing a set of our brand X running boards, the business is appreciated. I have a couple open ended questions and comments for the people to read and think about while looking at this thread.

- Why did you cut them up? The inner and outer rails are open for the world to see and measure. You could have sold them to someone to use on their sled and they would have been happy with the result. We are not afraid to inform people about the products we build.

- We have no records of selling a set of these brand X boards to you personally or Sled Solutions. I would have gladly sold you a set for this purpose if you would have called me, I personally answer the phone to take orders. We could have put a picture up with measurements of the tubing we use also and saved some time.

- Why not put the original pictures back up?

- Why not just call them by the name?

- Have you purchased a set of brand Y boards that another company builds to put on their sleds they build?

-The design of our board was not to focus all of the strength of the board in only the outer rail. Using the pattern that we use wasn't just for style and to be different, it's designed to disperse the weight throughout the entire board. All the tubing is cut and notched to fit, and fit correctly to each tube. We didn't just slap things together and call it good enough, we take pride in what we build and will gladly show it off.

-We're not here to start wars and this will be the only post by us in this thread. We can live with a little competition in the world, that is what made/makes this place the envy of the world.

-For the record on another comment in this thread, that is powder coating on our board there and not bed liner...Its called textured black and it is available at no extra charge.

no need to lock it.
He did an HONEST job of comparing and contrasting a knock off board with the original.

I mean SERIOUSLY, look at the difference in the outer side walls!!
Which tube do you want when you run up against that ROCK or TREE ?

This is the one that made us decide to put our two cents in. We do not like our product being called a KNOCK OFF.

-We use different tubing, outer diameter and thickness. (quite obvious)

-We use a different tube layout.

-They were not reverse engineered like a Chinese built 747 or Chinese built CRF 50.

-If our boards are knock offs then I think we need to look into some other products as well.

-How many different forms of better boards are there? All made of bent aluminum with holes in them ironically.

-There are different types of internal combustion engines but they all have some of the same materials and objects in them. Like steel and aluminum, a crankshaft, connecting rods, pistons, some have a valve train, some run on different fuels, most are different layouts of the same parts. ( exception - Rotary and Turbine engines).

I can go on forever but, I have to get up in about 4 hours to get more work done in the shop so we don't have a longer lead time than we currently do.

Thats all I was trying to get at and maybe over reacted a little. But just because something costs more doesn't mean its better. The skinz outside rail also has about 10 holes drilled in them. Does that make make them weaker? How does the inside tube thickness compare? I'm not worried about the tube notching considering that's how they build roll cages. Its good to have choices, i will leave it at that.

-Coping/Notching is the most common way to fit up round tube for welding purposes. I would be surprised to find a roll cage that had a bunch of holes bored into the side of a tube that is a little over half the diameter of itself to make a fitment for another tube. It compromises the strength of the tube by removing that much material, especially if you fill that hole with a thin walled tube and weld the seam.



- For the record our return policy is void if you cut the board up. Sorry, we can't re sell that one so its yours.






- Side note. Why not mount the other board that you hopefully didn't cut to pieces on a sled with a Skinz board on the other side and ride it? If its truly a inferior product we would like to know about it.






On behalf of all of us at B&M we would like to thank you again for your business, it truly is appreciated.

Thanks,
Bryan.

 

[christopher]

This is the one that made us decide to put our two cents in. We do not like our product being called a KNOCK OFF.

-We use different tubing, outer diameter and thickness. (quite obvious)
-We use a different tube layout.
-They were not reverse engineered like a Chinese built 747 or Chinese built CRF 50.

-If our boards are knock offs then I think we need to look into some other products as well.

To the "casual" observer, the architectural similarity in your design is STRIKINGLY similar to the original tubular concept advanced by SKINZ Protective Gear a few years back.

Not the same, but eerily reminiscent of the original.

 

[ps700]

To the "casual" observer, the architectural similarity in your design is STRIKINGLY similar to the original tubular concept advanced by SKINZ Protective Gear a few years back.

Not the same, but eerily reminiscent of the original.

I don't see your point here... A Polaris pro looks STRIKINGLY similar to the original rev, do we call it a knock off? Zbros makes a forward a-arm kit for the nytro similar to skinz idea, do we call it a knock off? They are two different companies making similar products, so what? This whole sledding industries is consisted of similar after market parts why do we have to have another company coming on here and trying to make there product look like the best when it is just a little bit different design. Like said earlier BMF boards have no record of failure so I see this thread as quite childish. I was once very interest in Skinz products and now after this I WILL be looking elsewhere.

 

[Sled Solutions]

You people are STARVING for drama.

1. I never called out the other company. Fact
2. I never said the other companies boards were junk. Fact
3. Brand X boards came out when Skinz couldn't keep up with demand. Fact
4. The Brand X boards are $124 cheaper than Airframe's. Fact
5. I showed the difference between the two. FACT

The rest is what it morphed into by members, defenders of Brand X made this more than it was.

One thing in life I can NOT tolerate and that's people who steal. Second is drama.....

 

[Jeva]

You people are STARVING for drama.

1. I never called out the other company. Fact
2. I never said the other companies boards were junk. Fact
3. Brand X boards came out when Skinz couldn't keep up with demand. Fact
4. The Brand X boards are $124 cheaper than Airframe's. Fact
5. I showed the difference between the two. FACT

The rest is what it morphed into by members, defenders of Brand X made this more than it was.

One thing in life I can NOT tolerate and that's people who steal. Second is drama.....

You implied they were weaker. Its clear your intent was to bash there product. It was over until Chris came and made it worse, maybe he should focus on making the website run better.

Are you now calling them thieves and knock offs. If that's the case how about all the stuff skinz makes now, exhaust cans, covers, a arms, mesh hoods, tunnel bags, handlebar bags the list goes on. All made from other company's before they started making them.

 

[Rocketboy]

Why did I come into the office today?? I would rather follow this post all day!!

 

[CANNONMAN]

The original post was clearly created to help SS sell their product. One reason and one reason only. BMF boards are one of the best items I have ever bought aftermarket. To call them a knockoff is ridiculous. Christopher, fix your own problems on here rather than hyping the advertisers. I'll take BMF boards any day of the week. Who on here doesn't want to save a few bucks and the product is top-shelf. Buy them you won't regret it. That reminds me I need to order another set. BMF all the way.

 

[Sled Solutions]

You implied they were weaker. Its clear your intent was to bash there product. It was over until Chris came and made it worse, maybe he should focus on making the website run better.

Are you now calling them thieves and knock offs. If that's the case how about all the stuff skinz makes now, exhaust cans, covers, a arms, mesh hoods, tunnel bags, handlebar bags the list goes on. All made from other company's before they started making them.

The only thing this was meant to do was show what you get for $3xx and what you get for $474. There are obvious differences in construction of the two boards which create a price difference. A company that goes after the first design of it's kind is stealing. Do you know who made the first tunnel bag, IN THE U.S.A. that are model specific? Me either. This was to educate the public, for them to make their own decision based on facts not claims. They can enjoy the success of their product, the industry is full of options.

Some don't want to spend even $200 on snow evacuation so they buy board inserts.
Some don't want to spend $475 on Skinz boards because they just want better snow evacuation and could care less about how they are constructed.
Some want the best "over built" original design and will spend the money to buy Airframes.

I NEVER said their product was junk, weak or constructed poorly. I simply pointed out the differences in boards. I'm done arguing about this, at this point I'll stick to my morals and get to work because I've got plenty of work to do. When a company claims their product is the "same" but cheaper someone needs to give the customer the facts so they can decide if they are the same but cheaper.

 

[snowmobiler]

we need snow..LOL

 

[Jeva]

The only thing this was meant to do was show what you get for $3xx and what you get for $474. There are obvious differences in construction of the two boards which create a price difference. A company that goes after the first design of it's kind is stealing. Do you know who made the first tunnel bag, IN THE U.S.A. that are model specific? Me either. This was to educate the public, for them to make their own decision based on facts not claims. They can enjoy the success of their product, the industry is full of options.

Some don't want to spend even $200 on snow evacuation so they buy board inserts.
Some don't want to spend $475 on Skinz boards because they just want better snow evacuation and could care less about how they are constructed.
Some want the best "over built" original design and will spend the money to buy Airframes.

I NEVER said their product was junk, weak or constructed poorly. I simply pointed out the differences in boards. I'm done arguing about this, at this point I'll stick to my morals and get to work because I've got plenty of work to do. When a company claims their product is the "same" but cheaper someone needs to give the customer the facts so they can decide if they are the same but cheaper.

Where do they claim that?

 

[Rocketboy]

What grade of aluminum is used in both products?

 

[snowmobiler]

after my obamacare bill gets here,i can afford a cheap set made out of rebar.

 

[Sled Solutions]

Where do they claim that?

Customer after customer at Haydays.

 

[Jeva]

Customer after customer at Haydays.

So which is it, customers claim that or the company claims that?