Arctic Cat is far less represented than Skidoo and Polaris, discussion
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Both Doo and Yammi also used trailing arms into the early 2000s. Clearly, given that everything uses A-arms these days, trailing arms were a net disadvantage, but not enough that advancements in engines, tracks, skids and such couldn't make for a better overall sled for a while. I don't think many riders would pick a 90s Cat over a Polaris EDGE; it's not like trailing arms were a major liability. There were some advantages too, and it's no wonder they were hyped – even while A-arm chassis were being developed. That's just marketing.
The next big winner in the chassis department could be Cat. It will be whoever can do some forward thinking on the riding experience and come up with something compelling for everybody, not just experienced riders. Especially critical for a company like Cat, it would have to appear during a cycle where snow conditions and the economy help drive sales, and it'd have to be developed and tested well enough to be reasonably reliable out of the gate. Doo, and likely Poo, could afford to release an all-new sled during a bad year and realize the profits down the road. It would be a much bigger gamble for Cat: introduce it for a weak season or release a product with too many issues, and the other guys will be able to respond before Cat can realize and build on their success. As someone who tends to root for the little guy though, I would love to see Cat make a gamble that pays off, and would buy one if it fit the budget. Even for Doo or Poo loyalists, a resurgent Cat would mean better products down the road; competition is good.
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I'm still concerned about a snowcheck only option to buy. There are very few things I am willing to just drop some coin and wait for if I don't know what I am getting first.
The Edge came in 2002.
Anyway, my point had nothing to do with the trailing arms really. Point was Polaris used the same chassis for umting years.
Oh and the 1M Mountain Cat handled better then the Edge and had way more torque and weight.
I'd be curious to see if that trend catches on. It would probably help out dealerships, as they wouldn't have holdover sleds sitting on the floor that eventually are discounted to a point where they lose money to make a sale. Check out that article I dropped here, Ford is moving away from the traditional 'stock inventory' approach to made-to-order only.
Ford Moving toward Build-to-Order, Away from Packed Dealer Lots
'I know we're wasting money on incentives,' says CEO Jim Farley, acknowledging the way people buy cars and trucks is changing.
www.caranddriver.com
I sure hope it doesn't catch on. Half the reason I can actually afford to buy a new sled is because I'm willing to wait for holdovers. If I had to fork out $15k for a snowcheck - yikes - I'm not sure just exactly what I would do. Hopefully I don't have to find out any time soon.I'd be curious to see if that trend catches on. It would probably help out dealerships, as they wouldn't have holdover sleds sitting on the floor that eventually are discounted to a point where they lose money to make a sale. Check out that article I dropped here, Ford is moving away from the traditional 'stock inventory' approach to made-to-order only.
Ford Moving toward Build-to-Order, Away from Packed Dealer Lots
'I know we're wasting money on incentives,' says CEO Jim Farley, acknowledging the way people buy cars and trucks is changing.
Snowcheck only for all manufacturers makes more sense.
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volcano buster
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I'm doubting you will see any lower prices. Supply and Demand...
It makes sense for Ford in this bizarre time and place. If they have 1,000,000 built/no-computer units and only 500,000 microchips. May as well go to a build-to-order format and allocate those chips in units that will turn quickly.
We'll see if it catches on elsewhere. I work in the car industry, the margin between invoice and MSRP is alot thinner than people think. On a 50,000 dollar car it may be 2-3000. On a 30,000 car it's usually around 1500-1000 bucks. When model year inventory lapses and those 'dealer discounts' start hitting, it wipes out the whole margin. Great for consumers, really tough on dealerships. Car dealers can recoup with back end product (warranty, gap, other bs). I don't know if powersports dealers operate similarly.
If I was a dealership, I'd love a snowcheck-only model; pretty much guaranteed to be selling at MSRP and less risk of having 2-year-old inventory rotting on the floor. Something I feel like Arctic Cat really was notorious for (in the late 00's early 10's) - over shipping of in-season units. Once again, still my open and debatable opinion!
We'll see if it catches on elsewhere. I work in the car industry, the margin between invoice and MSRP is alot thinner than people think. On a 50,000 dollar car it may be 2-3000. On a 30,000 car it's usually around 1500-1000 bucks. When model year inventory lapses and those 'dealer discounts' start hitting, it wipes out the whole margin. Great for consumers, really tough on dealerships. Car dealers can recoup with back end product (warranty, gap, other bs). I don't know if powersports dealers operate similarly.
If I was a dealership, I'd love a snowcheck-only model; pretty much guaranteed to be selling at MSRP and less risk of having 2-year-old inventory rotting on the floor. Something I feel like Arctic Cat really was notorious for (in the late 00's early 10's) - over shipping of in-season units. Once again, still my open and debatable opinion!
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Is there really a downside to order only?
Probably would keep used sled prices higher.
Probably would keep used sled prices higher.
Probably bdx. I had them on last year's sled and liked them. I like bmfab too but the traction screws shredded my pants
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