got the new gravity worx billet left and i like it great for lots of situations. I use it mostly on those slow crawl off camber sidehills along creeks and such. got into this nasty spot on the edge of a creek we went through it one by one, i'm a little guy and with some effort and finesse i made it through on my big tippy apex and right after me a guy rolled his brand spankin new dragon into the crick and sat there upside down in the creek bed. I'll be a ***** if that means riding another day and not wrecking my sled