no doubt. but with that name it should have been Carhart brown!
KLIM increasing product line by 32% for Fall 2010.
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no doubt. but with that name it should have been Carhart brown!
doubt it....or they would have offered up answers to all the threads that had issues with stuff like gloves, etc.
I'm interested in the 250 dollar coat mentioned....
Not gonna lie, I go as cheap as I can in my gear and still have good stuff.
I can't justify paying 300-400 on bibs when I am pimping out a 5 or 6 year old pair of Cabelas Guide Gear bibs I bought for 100 bucks in the bargain cave. Goretex and thinsulate....still warm and dry. I wear these things sledding, sliding with my kids, out in the woods walking around, ice fishing and they have flat worked for way less then Klim.
In the coat world as well....Helly Hansen Shell. 60 bucks in the cave. No it's not gore, but like Monte I have worn that thing all over. Fishing in the rain. Daily jacket, sledding in temps below zero, working hare scrambles in the rain and mud all day to the point it is stained mud in spots. Wear it dirt biking in the rain. Finally it got a rip last year after 6 years of service in the back and I still have stayed dry as the liner is in tact.
So my big question is....why is Klim so spendy when I am getting the same level of goods for less price? Yes there is the warranty but is there other reasons? Is it research, etc....I don't know cause courda and Gore have been around for awhile. I'm not ripping Klim, I'd buy it if the price was better or I had more cash.
Monte you know stuff, what do you think?
Not gonna lie, I go as cheap as I can in my gear and still have good stuff.
I can't justify paying 300-400 on bibs when I am pimping out a 5 or 6 year old pair of Cabelas Guide Gear bibs I bought for 100 bucks in the bargain cave. Goretex and thinsulate....still warm and dry. I wear these things sledding, sliding with my kids, out in the woods walking around, ice fishing and they have flat worked for way less then Klim.
In the coat world as well....Helly Hansen Shell. 60 bucks in the cave. No it's not gore, but like Monte I have worn that thing all over. Fishing in the rain. Daily jacket, sledding in temps below zero, working hare scrambles in the rain and mud all day to the point it is stained mud in spots. Wear it dirt biking in the rain. Finally it got a rip last year after 6 years of service in the back and I still have stayed dry as the liner is in tact.
So my big question is....why is Klim so spendy when I am getting the same level of goods for less price? Yes there is the warranty but is there other reasons? Is it research, etc....I don't know cause courda and Gore have been around for awhile. I'm not ripping Klim, I'd buy it if the price was better or I had more cash.
Monte you know stuff, what do you think?
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They read it all.
But for now they have made a choice not to participate because of past experiences on the forum with getting bashed.
One of my job objectives is to bring them, and other manufacturers back into the forums to become active participating members.
good luck....if you can get that and actually have them be active this place might turn the corner on long life.
heard this alot on here this past winter....
I think it's pretty much attack/comments like that, that have convinced all of the majors to stay off the forums.
I too have spend a SUBSTANTIAL amount on Retail KLIM gear for myself and my family of 6, and have found their product to be of excellent quality, and their customer service to be terrific.
You hurl an attack at them and call the corporation "Cowards" and wonder why they don't come on SnoWest just to get involved in a flame war. With posts like yours, its no wonder NONE of the major manufacturers has a significant presence here.
There is no need to do that.
While I can NOT speak directly for KLIM, I can say as a former sporting goods manufacturer...
They just don't want to come and get trashed by someone with an axe to grind, or who wants to make a public campaign against them.
Starting off a conversation by saying the manufacturer is a coward, pretty well establishes the tone of everything that will follow. Having been in their shoes, I totally understand their reluctance to jump into this thread or any other right now.
While I can NOT speak directly for KLIM, I can say as a former sporting goods manufacturer...
They just don't want to come and get trashed by someone with an axe to grind, or who wants to make a public campaign against them.
Starting off a conversation by saying the manufacturer is a coward, pretty well establishes the tone of everything that will follow. Having been in their shoes, I totally understand their reluctance to jump into this thread or any other right now.
I have very mixed feelings toward Klim products and their service. I had gloves that split seams after 2 or 3 rides and Klim refused to credit me and let me pay to get another model. It took a dealer to step up and swap them out for me. I have since given that dealer over $1,000 maybe $2,000 in business just last year alone. I also had a set of bibs that started leaking and Klim did replace them under warranty, but the new ones have a silver fabric on the inside that started fraying immediately from rubbing on the velcro on my knee pads, my previous bibs had no such issues. I also have a set of adrenaline boots that are fraying because of poor design/ placement of the seam. I enjoy the performance of the products but the durability isn't there and the only warranty satisfaction I have gotten is through a dealer going to bat for me. Thank you, Freeagent, I'll be calling you again when the snow flys.
How about an engage brain button? Kind of like the easy button, but this one you were on your head like a hat? Or one that runs on citrus...
Oh, I do not.
Klim is a company of snowmobile enthusiasts. They design gear specifically for our sport. They test designs year round. The gear is designed to be ridden in. Much like your off road pants. Everything from where the reinforcement is placed to how the arms are shaped and how the jacket flexes and moves. It is made for snowmobiling. They test where your body retains the most heat and where you are likely to get cold. They take many things into considerations such as knee guards back packs and tek vests when designing gear.
Now is this what every rider needs? As much as I would like to say yes, that wouldn't be entirely true. In the end, every rider is different as are their individual needs. As you noted the stuff from Cabela's works pretty darn good and is maybe a little more versitale for everyday use. That is what the Keweenaw is trying to do while still meeting the needs of the snowmobiler. It's hard to argue with how well your stuff has performed. A big advantage that a place like Cabela's has is the ability to make their money on current product and then discount below cost when closing it out in their bargain cave. They do very large volume to a much broader scope of customers. Hikers, hunters, skiers etc. Klim usually sells through their product lines in a typical season, but to a much smaller # of enthusiasts. You can find good deals on non-current models with some vendors.
Does that help at all?
i don't really see it happening, it may but i think klim will keep it simple and stick with laces
Oh, I do not.
Klim is a company of snowmobile enthusiasts. They design gear specifically for our sport. They test designs year round. The gear is designed to be ridden in. Much like your off road pants. Everything from where the reinforcement is placed to how the arms are shaped and how the jacket flexes and moves. It is made for snowmobiling. They test where your body retains the most heat and where you are likely to get cold. They take many things into considerations such as knee guards back packs and tek vests when designing gear.
Now is this what every rider needs? As much as I would like to say yes, that wouldn't be entirely true. In the end, every rider is different as are their individual needs. As you noted the stuff from Cabela's works pretty darn good and is maybe a little more versitale for everyday use. That is what the Keweenaw is trying to do while still meeting the needs of the snowmobiler. It's hard to argue with how well your stuff has performed. A big advantage that a place like Cabela's has is the ability to make their money on current product and then discount below cost when closing it out in their bargain cave. They do very large volume to a much broader scope of customers. Hikers, hunters, skiers etc. Klim usually sells through their product lines in a typical season, but to a much smaller # of enthusiasts. You can find good deals on non-current models with some vendors.
Does that help at all?
Sure does help some.
See how easy it is for someone to step up and explain stuff....
I suppose since their CFO is my next door neighbor, and their building is just down the street from where I live, I ought to get more familiar with the company myself.
I think we would all like everything to be less expensive these days. However, I don't feel Klim is really overpriced compared to other brands. I compared quite a few pieces of FXR last year that were non Gore-Tex yet they were priced within a few dollars of Klim.
We will forever pay more for better technology. I know not eveyone has had the experience I have, but I give Klim 100% satisfaction. The bummer is that I never have an excuse to buy new stuff. Lol
Obviously you didn't get out enough last season!The bummer is that I never have an excuse to buy new stuff. Lol
I think we would all like everything to be less expensive these days. However, I don't feel Klim is really overpriced compared to other brands. I compared quite a few pieces of FXR last year that were non Gore-Tex yet they were priced within a few dollars of Klim.
We will forever pay more for better technology. I know not eveyone has had the experience I have, but I give Klim 100% satisfaction. The bummer is that I never have an excuse to buy new stuff. Lol
I think part of the hang up for some Monte (myself included) is that the basic element in Klim and what makes their gear good, is that Gore is not new tech nor is courada, etc. Yes it is good, but we see many people having great success and enjoyment with some of the other waterproof options out there like e-Vent.
Of course Gore has been time tested adn these others have only been out 5 years or so....
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