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Judging presidents on the gas tax issue ONLY!

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So what do you guys think? Seems Obama is the only one that says temporarily reducing the federal gas tax will have little if any effect on prices. I tend to agree with him on THIS point.

Please keep it on the gas tax issue only (I know it will be hard:p).... I know how these pres topics go off into never never land....


I know it hurts to say it- but our national deficit is so high, it would not do us any good to lower the gas tax. They would have to get the money from somewhere, so they would have to raise taxes along the line. While it might feel better to pay less for gas, you would have to remember that taxes will need to be raised in other places, thus you will still be paying the same amount.
 
Using their oil (Iraq's) was never the plan. It's not a novel idea either. It's short sighted. So let's see, we free a country, try to prop it up so it can start to take care of itself, and suck off it's primary product that can support its economy?? Good plan:rolleyes::rolleyes:


I beg to differ, Using Iraq oil to fund the war is what the American people were at least told. Donald Rumsfield was quoted as saying that. Whether that is true or not, well you would have to ask the Bush administration. We were obviously lied to, because it is our tax dollars funding the war. Do you really believe that the US is in Iraq to free the people and install democracy in an Islamic state, give me a break.
 
I beg to differ, Using Iraq oil to fund the war is what the American people were at least told. Donald Rumsfield was quoted as saying that. Whether that is true or not, well you would have to ask the Bush administration. We were obviously lied to, because it is our tax dollars funding the war. Do you really believe that the US is in Iraq to free the people and install democracy in an Islamic state, give me a break.

You can beg to differ, but bet you can't find a quote for that thinking. I'm 'one' of those "American people" and no one told me that's what was going to happen.

Lied to?? Here we go again. Good diatribe though.

Hint: It's called S T A B I L I T Y... there's your break.:)

You fall in the concrete this morning?:p

haha.. late nights and early mornings. Head'n to Roslyn right now. Sucks not having a sled behind me:(:(
 
You can beg to differ, but bet you can't find a quote for that thinking. I'm 'one' of those "American people" and no one told me that's what was going to happen.

Lied to?? Here we go again. Good diatribe though.

Hint: It's called S T A B I L I T Y... there's your break.:)



haha.. late nights and early mornings. Head'n to Roslyn right now. Sucks not having a sled behind me:(:(

I do beg to differ and here is my quote about the topic since you must be living in your own little world.

Bulk of Iraq Reconstruction Monies 'Will Come From Iraqis,' Rumsfeld Says
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Oct. 2, 2003 – The American taxpayer will not have to foot the entire bill for rebuilding post-Saddam Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said here today.
The $20 billion for Iraqi security and reconstruction contained within President Bush's $87 billion supplemental budget proposal for fiscal 2004 now before Congress "is not intended to cover all of Iraq's needs," Rumsfeld noted to reporters at a Pentagon press conference.
"The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," explained Rumsfeld, who was accompanied at the briefing by Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Before the war, Mr Bush endorsed claims that Iraq's oil would pay for reconstruction. But the shortage of revenues afterwards has silenced him on this point. More recently he has argued that oil should be used as a means to unify the country, "so the people have faith in central government", as he put it last summer.

Now lets fast forward to 2008.
The American people were given false information about the war in Iraq by our elected officials, democrats and republicans. This is just one example.....
 
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I do beg to differ and here is my quote about the topic since you must be living in your own little world.

Bulk of Iraq Reconstruction Monies 'Will Come From Iraqis,' Rumsfeld Says
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Oct. 2, 2003 – The American taxpayer will not have to foot the entire bill for rebuilding post-Saddam Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said here today.
The $20 billion for Iraqi security and reconstruction contained within President Bush's $87 billion supplemental budget proposal for fiscal 2004 now before Congress "is not intended to cover all of Iraq's needs," Rumsfeld noted to reporters at a Pentagon press conference.
"The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," explained Rumsfeld, who was accompanied at the briefing by Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Before the war, Mr Bush endorsed claims that Iraq's oil would pay for reconstruction. But the shortage of revenues afterwards has silenced him on this point. More recently he has argued that oil should be used as a means to unify the country, "so the people have faith in central government", as he put it last summer.

Now lets fast forward to 2008.
The American people were given false information about the war in Iraq by our elected officials, democrats and republicans. This is just one example.....

Are you complaining about the Iraq war or are you trying to claim we are going to pay for all of Iraq's reconstruction. Read that quote it says nothing about the war itself. Do you believe Iraq is not putting anything into their reconstruction? The r45eason we are still fighting in Iraq is to keep the battles with these Islamic whackos in that area not on our shores. I do think Iraq owes us a tremendous amount and should be asked to use the one resource to begin to pay the american people back for their sacrafice. Swampy:confused:
 
Bingo!
Oh, and I will be GLAD to pay 18 cents less for gas. Feel free to keep paying the tax if you like. Will it solve our energy problems? No! I dont think I ever heard anyone say it would. Will it make fuel cheaper? Yup! 18 cents cheaper.
 
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Ok, that was painful... I'm pretty sure that falls in line with NOT taking the Iraq oil money and giving it to the US. I'm not sure how you did it SF, but you just made my point. They are using THEIR money to assist in the rebuild. And BTW, that statement does not say anything about using Iraq's oil to fund the war....
 
I've been told China is paying for the war. there buying all the bonds we can send them they will ruin us some day
 
I know it hurts to say it- but our national deficit is so high, it would not do us any good to lower the gas tax. They would have to get the money from somewhere, so they would have to raise taxes along the line. While it might feel better to pay less for gas, you would have to remember that taxes will need to be raised in other places, thus you will still be paying the same amount.

How about this novel idea. Stop wasting all the f-ing tax dollars they are already taking from us on stupid studies like how frogs farg, and paying for low life POS drug addicts on welfare to keep cracking out crack babys and use it efficiantly. Get the pres a gulfstream instead of a friggen 747 to burn up fuel flying around. Don't bail out idiots that bought more of a house than they could afford and don't even think about "universal healthcare". Simply put be 1/10th as efficiant as they seam to think everyone in the private sector should be and problem solved.
 
Ok, that was painful... I'm pretty sure that falls in line with NOT taking the Iraq oil money and giving it to the US. I'm not sure how you did it SF, but you just made my point. They are using THEIR money to assist in the rebuild. And BTW, that statement does not say anything about using Iraq's oil to fund the war....

Glad I could cause you some pain :D Of course anyone will think anything they want, but my point is why are American tax payers funding this WAR at all now(If American troops are still in Iraq fighting it is more than just reconstruction). As Senator Nelson states in the article I posted, why isn't our tax dollars being used as a loan to Iraq. If that one simple concept was applied imagine how much relief that would be for American taxpayers. There are to many "special interests" for that to happen though.

Interesting article, hoping it will help make my point.

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS

Iraq War Policy Debate Returns to Capitol Hill With Petraeus, Crocker Hearings
Monday, April 07, 2008

The Money Debate

With oil prices on the rise and a weakening American economy, Democrats, who have been holding strategy sessions for weeks, also want to force Iraqis to spend more of their own money — which mostly comes from oil sales — for reconstruction and military expenses.

"Do not forget this. ... Iraq is a rich country," Reid said last week in a speech on the chamber floor.

"Record-high oil prices have supplied Iraq with literally more money than they know what to do with, but we keep spending $5,000 a second in Iraq," he said. "As we borrow and spend billions of dollars to provide the security that the Iraqi government failed to create for themselves, Iraq is bringing in billions of oil money faster than they can open bank accounts."

In the same vein, Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska has said Iraqis should no longer get "a blank check," and has proposed any future U.S. taxpayer dollars to Iraq be made in the form of a loan.

Privately, Hill staffers indicate that Nelson's loan plan could be an area for bipartisan compromise. One senior Senate Democratic leadership aide told FOX News the loan "idea is certainly being considered." And one senior Senate Republican leadership aide agreed that the idea is an attractive one, even though the Senate has rejected it before.

But the GOP aide said one resource that may be off limits is remaining reconstruction money, which is going to field commanders for needed economic development and other items.

"The funds are one of the most important counterinsurgency tools we have in Iraq. It's more powerful than rifles. They won't want to cut that, and there's very little other money they can cut. So it might backfire," the Republican aide said.

Levin agreed about the importance of this kind of money — housed in the Commander's Emergency Response Program — which military leaders use to win "hearts and minds" of local leaders. Still, Petraeus might be reconsidering the effectiveness of those funds, Levin said Friday.

"I think General Petraeus is looking for ways to have the Iraqis use more of their money."
 
How about this novel idea. Stop wasting all the f-ing tax dollars they are already taking from us on stupid studies like how frogs farg, and paying for low life POS drug addicts on welfare to keep cracking out crack babys and use it efficiantly. Get the pres a gulfstream instead of a friggen 747 to burn up fuel flying around. Don't bail out idiots that bought more of a house than they could afford and don't even think about "universal healthcare". Simply put be 1/10th as efficiant as they seam to think everyone in the private sector should be and problem solved.
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BINGO!!!! The real problem is not tax reform it is SPENDING REFORM otherwise any action is just a matter of moving the burden for the expense to different groups. Swampy:D:beer;:beer;
 
Glad I could cause you some pain Of course anyone will think anything they want, but my point is why are American tax payers funding this WAR at all now(If American troops are still in Iraq fighting it is more than just reconstruction). As Senator Nelson states in the article I posted, why isn't our tax dollars being used as a loan to Iraq. If that one simple concept was applied imagine how much relief that would be for American taxpayers. There are to many "special interests" for that to happen though.


Skip to the simple answer... Our national defense currently only uses approx. 4% of our GNP... Lowest in our history. Hell, it was twice that in that era of the great hater of the military, Clinton. That includes funding Iraq and all the other hot spots. If one thinks that little 'ole Iraq is breaking our bank, they've been drinking some great stuff.

The "pain" was reading an answer that didn't make one iota of sense.

Hey Ruffy, what was the topic again...:rolleyes::p:face-icon-small-sho
 
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BINGO!!!! The real problem is not tax reform it is SPENDING REFORM otherwise any action is just a matter of moving the burden for the expense to different groups. Swampy:D:beer;:beer;


Bingo two... No government has ever spent its way to a solution with reference to social issues. Government is incapable, by it's very design and nature, of spending wisely, much less working smart. Spending reform is a great way of putting it. They have plenty of money, they just don't spend it like it's theirs...oh yea, it's not:face-icon-small-fro
 
Skip to the simple answer... Our national defense currently only uses approx. 4% of our GNP... Lowest in our history. Hell, it was twice that in that era of the great hater of the military, Clinton. That includes funding Iraq and all the other hot spots. If one thinks that little 'ole Iraq is breaking our bank, they've been drinking some great stuff.

The "pain" was reading an answer that didn't make one iota of sense.

Hey Ruffy, what was the topic again...:rolleyes::p:face-icon-small-sho

Sorry that it went over your head there GtG. I do think that the Iraq war is a factor in breaking our bank and hurting the US economy and causing fuel prices to rise. Just a reminder, this country is trillions of dollars in debt. Swampy hit the nail on the head, and I agree 100% that it is Spending Reform that needs to happen.
I'll stop now, wouldn't want the world to come to an end for going off topic.:eek:
 
The world won't end, but the point has.....

That is because freedom is not the freedom to get some of your money back with the suspension of a gas tax any more than it is the freedom to ride your sled, freedom is the whole ball of wax and includes what our founders made perfectly clear, LIFE, LIBERTY and PROPERTY which includes the right to use the property and to keep it exclsively rather than have to give it to politicians who think they know how to spend it better than you. Swampy:D:beer;
 
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