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Is the 2 stroke really a dying breed??

One question I have is mileage. My sleds and 2 stroke quads get around 8 to 10 mpg. Do 4 strokes get better mileage?

Also heard 4 strokes have more torque where 2 strokes have more HP relatively? Do sleds need torque and/or HP like wheeled vehicles or is the setup different for powder applications?

Doo's new DFI600 gets a claimed 25mpg, which is better than any four stroke sled on the market. Even their SDI600 gets better mileage than some of the performance 4-strokers. That efficiency means less hydrocarbons going out the exhaust, which is why they will have no trouble meeting the 2010 EPA limits.

Torque and horsepower are not 2 separate types of power. Dynos don't even measure horsepower, they measure torque. Horsepower is simply a mathematical computation of torque and RPM. Try this out: http://www.largiader.com/articles/torque.html
Some four strokes make more torque at a lower RPM than twos, but that's not always true. Some of the newer twins have very good low-end torque....as much as anyone could need.
 
I think 2-strokes have the cold weather advantage. Sure I'm a spoiled rider now with a 28' enclosed and heat but there was a time when i needed to get to school, work, ect.. in North Dakota. You could leave an old 2-stroke outside uncovered for weeks and get it to run on several pulls. I fear the batts on 4-strokes and extreme temps.

My turbo Nytro starts at -35 way easier than my rmk 900 summit 800 or summit 700 ever did, I live in Alaska, its kind of cold here. I used to think four strokes would be hard to start also, but its way easier to turn a key than rip a pull starter or your arm out. As far as fuel mileage you can't beat them, my wife can follow me around all day on her Phazer and only burn a couple of gallons, her summit 700 would have burnt a full tank of gas not to mention oil. I bought a Yamaha because I was fed up with 2 smokes, its insane that a brand new 10,000 machine needs to be rebuilt after only a few thousand miles( a Yamaha engine can last 40 to 60,000 miles). I was also fed up with 2 smoke dirtbikes years ago, rebuilding the engines every year I thought was bull. I bought a yzf 400 the second year they were made in 98, I still ride it, on the original engine, change the oil once a year and go, I ride a couple times a week every summer since I've owned it. I would love to buy a new yfz 450, but until my 400 finally burns up I will keep riding it. My only point is that I cannot possibly justify buying another 2 stroke. I am not pushing four strokes on any body, just stating the reasons I will never own a two stroke again, and I have owned many.
 
The first production year for the YZ400F was '98. I had a '99 that I hammered for two race seasons before she let loose. That motor, only in it's second year of production, went through 12 desert races as well as me riding it 3-4 times a week for two hours a pop. All at high RPM, sustained RPM, in the desert and sand. Pretty impressive! It cost about $2,400 to rebuild from the crank up. I know Yammies sleds will last forever, but until they can get the power to weight down to what my new XP is, I think the 2 stroke will continue.
 
You sure are working hard on this issue there TP, you trying to convince us ...or that pesky , niggly, little voice in your head that keeps planting those seeds of doubt. Relax, we can still all have fun, your sandwiches will just smell a tad more like gas and grease than mine come lunch time.;):beer;:beer;
 
I bought a yzf 400 the second year they were made in 98, I still ride it, on the original engine, change the oil once a year and go, I ride a couple times a week every summer since I've owned it.

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Dude, every year? They hold like 1.75 quarts with filter change. You should be changing oil at least once a month..... That is scary, couple more eeks for you.

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Dude, every year? They hold like 1.75 quarts with filter change. You should be changing oil at least once a month..... That is scary, couple more eeks for you.

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i think its actually less than 1.75 quarts with filter, more like 1.1 quarts. I change the oil on my 07 yz450f every 3 rides (100 miles), and the filter every 6. Freaking love the bike though. Way better ride than my ported/piped suzuki rm 250 (absolute rocket). Would love to try a new KTM 300 2 stroke though...
 
Yeah you're right I should change the oil more in my yzf, Our summer riding season in alaska is about 3 or 4 months long I changed the oil 3 times last summer. I suppose I was exaggerating the oil change. I don't race, and if I did I would not race a almost 10 year old bike, My only point is it is still on the original engine. As far as weight of yamaha sleds I do not mind, With a turbo, my nitro is as light as a feather can't keep the skis on the ground. I won't lie it sucks to get a Yamaha unstuck, but I hardly ever get stuck now.
 
I think two strokes will be around for a while to come Ike, but I think the new fours will make a lot of riders happy too. Several of the guys I ride with have Nytro's now and they love them. Compared to what they were riding (5+ year old vipers, mmax's) it was a big step up in chassis ergos and they have good enough power for the stuff they like to ride. I been riding with these guys for years and while they like the power of a mod they weren't really using it to it's potential, so no point in owning something that is likely to be in the shop half the time (like mine). I'm sick of wrenching on mine this winter instead of riding, but I really don't want to go backwards in power/weight and I don't want a turbo 4 yet either, so I'll just keep learning! And finally, nothing against yammi (I own a few), but I've been very happy with Cat's and am waiting to see what kind of 4 stroke mtn sled they can come up with. Hopefully something that's stripped down and lightish and built with a turbo accessory in mind.
 
We're riding Tues. Paul. That M7.95 running again? Sorry to hear of your loss Greg:( The next time we ride, I'll show you what a "resurrected" 2 stroke can doo!
 
Slightly off topic, but you guys were talking about 2 stroke dirt bikes. Well, up here in Canada in the 80's, they sold 2 stroke street bikes. So I went down to the Yamaha dealer and picked up an RZ500. V-4 engine.4 pipes. The sound of this thing can't be matched. Still got it, still makes me smile.
 
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