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I made some mistakes and almost got myself killed.

Sunday march 13 will be a day i remeber for quite some time. I was able to get a full weekend of riding in. We even left early enough friday that the avy report wasn't released for the area, and i never checked later in the weekend. I told myself, you will know what the report would say when you get out there. And i did know, but i ignored my own warnings to hit a powder covered hill with no tracks. A slope that i have brought down about 4 years ago. So yes i made a bunch of mistakes. I even told the group i was with, that the slope could slide and i hit it anyway. I thought i would be far enough over to not be in the danger zone. I was wrong.

A little background, i took my first avy class in 98, read my first book on avy's in 93 after dealing with a couple of slides in alaska when i lived there.
One of my best friends is an avalanche intstructor. I am typically a real good guy when it comes to slides. To the point of almost to cautious. atleast according to some of my buddies. Well i decided to not be such a puzzy this year, and i do believe that was another mistake. I was getting to the point i knew what avy snow felt like on my sled. Which is a good thing, to me avy snow does feel different than non avy snow. People were always asking me if a slope would slide. I can't take a motor apart but i can figure out slides. I love the power of slides and i know slides just don't happen. they have a trigger mechanism. Well i hit the trigger mechanism.

Basically i ran up this trench\chute and once i entered i knew the snow was conducive to sliding.( i have caused to many to not know what the snow feels like). I got out of the trench when i could and went over a convex knob to get out of the trench. I thought to my self, that was not good, but didn't think about it anymore. I got on top of a finger ridge and looked into the next bowl to see how it looked. I than noticed cracking and slabs forming all around me. Luckily from kayaking i know what it feels like to be moving and not going anywhere.(surfing holes) It felt like i was surfing on my sled. I thought of pulling the abs cord but i saw my way out and went for it.
getting out of the slide was the only thing going thru my mind. I knew i could get out and nothing else mattered. After i powered off of the first slab, i was catching the next slab and watching the slab that was in front of me pull away from me. I hammered the throttle like a cornice jump and jumped off of the slab into the area between slabs and than the debris pile was pilling up right in front of me. I hammered it again to jump thru the debris pile and just missed a big snag coming out of the debris pile. I landed hard enought to have my chest hit the handlebars and push them forward. ( thank god for tekvest). I was than out of the slide and sidehiling right below it looking for a way to go and a place to renter the slide, because i didn't know if anyone was buried. Luckily no one was. as i was sidehilling below it i noticed a big snag being whipped around like a rag doll. This one would of hurt.


the main reason i was trying to reneter the slide, was this. there is a guy i ride with occasionally that follows me where ever i go. He follows way to close. So i assumed he was following me up this trench. which he did. but he waited until i turned out and than went up. He ended up jumping up thru the crack and went out the top of the hill. You really should wait until the person is off of the slope not just turned out. Luckily no one was buried. And i was able to get my wake up call.

looking at the pics, it is obvious this hill was ripe to slide. I let my powderlust get in the way. Hopefully others can learn from my mistakes, becasue i can thing of better ways to get a wake up call.

the snag in 1713 and 1714 is the one i missed onthe way out of the debri pile. i was up in the trees of 1714 when it broke.

tim

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Wow, scary hill to be in a slide on...lots to get caught on or hit trying to pin it.

Glad you're ok.

good point about buddies that follow... that bugs the heck out of me when people crank up as soon as I turn out.
 
Man, lucky!!!

Again, with all of the snags on that hill you wouldn't think it could move much, but it sure did.

This is a good reminder of what can happen.

As you know this is the prime time of year for those wet, heavy slides that will kill you. Cold nights, warm afternoon sun. Perfect combination for disaster.

Thanks for posting

Thunder
 
Glad you and your buddy are okay. Thanks for the candid post, hopefully it will save somebody else by making them think twice before hitting a suspect slope.
 
Thanks for sharing this Tim. Scary for sure, and really glad you are still here with us!!

Also thank you for pointing out your mistakes....that's good for others to hopefully learn.
 
I'm changing my name to "TIM" that's two escapes by Tims in two weeks. Good to hear your story so it may help others, you got your "once" :scared:. Be careful from here on out, have a talk with your buddy (maybe he gets it now) about staying off the hill while you're climbing.
 
Man, lucky!!!

Again, with all of the snags on that hill you wouldn't think it could move much, but it sure did.

This is a good reminder of what can happen.

As you know this is the prime time of year for those wet, heavy slides that will kill you. Cold nights, warm afternoon sun. Perfect combination for disaster.

Thanks for posting

Thunder

Trees are NOT snow anchors!
 
TIM,
Thanks for fessing up. Seriously.

Could you share some more info on this?

Time of day?
Aspect of slope? (E,W,N,S)
Time from last storm?
Slope angle? (if you know)
 
Tim, glad you are ok! That looks like it could have been real bad! Thanks for sharing the story and the photos!

See ya next year at the Alfton Ride! Jeff
 
I have a question for the OP-

What will change about your riding style/behavior etc. due to this incident?

One thing you might consider, that we do in our own group- every person in the group has "veto power". This only applies if the entire group plans on doing something- for example, climbing a hill to get up into a bowl but someone in the group is uncomfortable with the avy potential on the hill. One person says no, it applies to the group.

But in your case, you were the one that opted to try a hill that you knew had slide potential. Will this change how you approach stuff like this in the future? You indicated this isn't your first slide and that you had even seen this same hill slide before.
 
Time of day? 12:00pm
Aspect of slope? (E,W,N,S) south by south east
Time from last storm? roughly 72 hours with a warm up after
Slope angle? (if you know) roughly 38-42 guessing perfect angle for loading and releasing.
the slide occured in the selkirk mtns of north idaho. near priest lake.



What will change about your riding style/behavior etc. due to this incident?
think way more and not be so cocky with slides. i ahve been cocky 3 times on rivers kayaking and got spanked. you would think i would learn. but i have always pushed in all things i do, wether work or play. that is who i am. I know that and I have to work on it. But i have always been a pusher and doer and have always wanted to go for it. It is one reason ihave been able to keep 15 people employed thru this recesion. push hard. but there is a time to push and a time to wait.

I have cauesed alot of slides in my life, that was always the part of backcountry riding. I ahve been lucky and outran them, climbed up out of them, jumped back in time when the cornice has broke, etc, etc. this one is hte first i got to be in one. I have been to many funerals and joined probe lines, dug stuff up etc etc. I just need to remeber to use my brain and not my balls. This won't be the last slide i cause. that i know. the terrain draws me. and i mean draws me, that is why i have studied them. but i will learn when to back off agian. I do love life, and i slowed up in kayaking after being pinned in a class v. But i did't stop river running. just took a little break to clear my mind. I imagine it will be the same way here. Last weekend i was out on this flat little wind drift and i could see the cracks starting in my head. Climbing was a little nerve racking but i was forcing myself back on the horse. I will probably be a little more hesitant the rest of the season. but i doubt i will stop climbing totally.

sometimes, i just need to listen to the little voice of reason in my head.

tim
 
Now that sounds like a real honest evaluation.:face-icon-small-hap There is so much made about how ballsy:face-icon-small-con one has to be to have fun, and negative peer pressure can and does do it. I think if we were all COMPLETELY honest there would not be one person that could come on and say" not me":nod: Granted we do need to push to become a better rider, but with the high powered sleds we have, we are in places 10 years ago that simply were impossible to get to. And we are not spending 1-2 hours running a hill to conquer it. 2-3 runs and were over. This could easily lead to overconfidence that can also lead to running without checking. You have a great post going here Thanks Terry
 
Thanks for posting Tim, everyone should take note of this...

Again, glad you're ok.
 
Great post Tim and I couldn't be happier for you that you were given another chance to learn from your mistakes and then allowing others to learn from them to.

Although we had a great weekend I wished I would have seen this post prior to departure just as a reminder as we travel the same type of terrain often and from the pictures posted in other threads you can see the potential was around every corner for us too.

Thanks again and glad your safe.
 
Thanks for posting this up TIM. This was my first experience with a large slide. A real opening experience for sure. I was starting a climb to the right of where the slide occured as I saw the mountain coming down. I immediately turned out and pinned it downhill. I wasn't sure if you and the other rider made it out safely.

I learned some valuable lessons from this event. Since this incident I have now purchased a Tek Vest and a BCA 30 Avy pack.
 
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