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I love being a wind turbine tech.... OUCH

Thats great, put them all over the wilderness areas and see how the greenies scream when they have to live with them. Swampy:D:face-icon-small-hap

I believe they ran into that problem in Maine or one of the new england states. Took a lot of heat but it eventually went through. Can't have it all. Give me the wind turbines. Though that problem seems to be more on the coasts where optimal wind turbine placement is on ridges of mountains rather than cropland in the midwest.

On another note, I think they should paint them. I wonder what a big farm would look like with that color changing paint. It would be hard for it not to look cool...... dang they would probably put advertisements on them then.

Later
 
How's the level of your "Fuel Tank"? Hopefully it will be topped off this
summer so I can play on/in it....

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30% and riseing, the farmers drew us all the way down to 1% last year:eek:
 
Ok, I've heard enough...

I shouldn't have left such an open topic last for so long...

Here's some turbine 101 regardless on what any tech sheet, hand out, literature or website may have to say as they are all geared on selling and promoting wind turbines. (Not mills, by the way.. Turbines produce, mills drill or pump)

First of all, there are no 410 foot turbines yet in North America, the largest are off the coast in Denmark and New Zealand wich are all off shore turbines, 360ish feet. The reason for there taller towers is obviously that with storms and strong tidle changes they need some room for the giant swath diameter of the blades.

Our turbines here in the Eastern, Wa (Kennewick) are just like the ones in Ellensburge, in fact they were errected by R.E.S contracted by Seimens. The towers are just like ours, 286' with 156' blades. Give or take 10 feet on those figures depending once again on what web site, handout ect you look at. 2.3 MW at full speed.

There are four things that make constant noise in a wind turbine no matter what the meter per second wind speed is, the rickmeyer gear oil pump, the CC Jensen off line gear oil pump, the hydraulic combistall motor and the wine of the Winergy gear box. From the ground you would have to know what you are listening for to realy hear them unless you open the tower door, then you can hear it just fine as the tower acts as a 286' megaphone. The most noise you are hearing is the wind passing over the stallists and dinotails located on the leading and trailing edges of the blades. There job is to reduce harmonic noise and keep the noise frequency low so the noise won't travel down the blades and into the main bearing and literaly take out the huge bearing. Most times you can only hear a light swishing of the stallists as they cut through the windy air, but upon wind gusts the wind turbulance over the stallists get lowder and lowder for only moments until the computer tells the blade to pitch a little more out of the wind to find the "happy" spot to keep the turbine from over speeding.

OK, you see, you all hit some topics and good points... Just not fully educated about them.

That being said, wind turbines are the biggest pieces of SH!T I have ever worked on. They are very unreliable and blow major components every Frickn' year. It takes literial thousands and thousands of them to do what one nuc plant can achieve every hour. And to say wind turbines don't create waste is a joke too. Mostly what they waste are lives... But the waste stories are for another thread...

Later!
 
That being said, wind turbines are the biggest pieces of SH!T I have ever worked on. They are very unreliable and blow major components every Frickn' year. It takes literial thousands and thousands of them to do what one nuc plant can achieve every hour. And to say wind turbines don't create waste is a joke too. Mostly what they waste are lives... But the waste stories are for another thread...

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Matt, ya gotta quit sugarcoating things, tell us how ya feel:)
 
That being said, wind turbines are the biggest pieces of SH!T I have ever worked on. They are very unreliable and blow major components every Frickn' year. It takes literial thousands and thousands of them to do what one nuc plant can achieve every hour. And to say wind turbines don't create waste is a joke too. Mostly what they waste are lives... But the waste stories are for another thread...

Matty - If they are huge POS, why do they keep getting built? It seems like the enviro-nazis hate them too. Are they simply the easiest or next best thing to Nuke plants...therefore a feel-good green story every time? I am seriously curious.

I am working on a project where they are building a small farm in BFE Oklahoma around a bunch of oil / gas pads...about 50-60 turbines.
 
Matty - If they are huge POS, why do they keep getting built? It seems like the enviro-nazis hate them too. Are they simply the easiest or next best thing to Nuke plants...therefore a feel-good green story every time? I am seriously curious.

I am working on a project where they are building a small farm in BFE Oklahoma around a bunch of oil / gas pads...about 50-60 turbines.

There is a lot of people that look at the economics of those things, rates of return and whatnot. I would think if they were not economic then they wouldn't be putting them up.

Remember the people putting up the wind turbines are business people. They are there to make money. I highly doubt that they will be willing to loose profit for a feel-good story. Though I am sure it is used to get access to land for the turbines.

As far a wind turbines being a pos? Well it depends upon the type and the manufacturer. I would have a hard time believing that they are all, seems the economics wouldn't work out, but I don't know.

How new are the wind turbines you are talking about? Brand/type etc.
 
the link to the sound levels emitted by the windmills is a joke. I have stood next to one of the industrial ones and it was incredibly loud. It was a rhythmic "whooooosh..................whooooooooooooosh.............whoooooooosh" that would drive me crazy.

This is a typical situation where an urban tree hugger wants to do the right thing and deosn't care about the family living in rural USA.
 
the link to the sound levels emitted by the windmills is a joke. I have stood next to one of the industrial ones and it was incredibly loud. It was a rhythmic "whooooosh..................whooooooooooooosh.............whoooooooosh" that would drive me crazy.

This is a typical situation where an urban tree hugger wants to do the right thing and deosn't care about the family living in rural USA.

could industrial ones (and probably older) be different than the newer ones that would be built in Ellensburg?
 
I have stood next to one of the industrial ones and it was incredibly loud. It was a rhythmic "whooooosh..................whooooooooooooosh.............whoooooooosh" that would drive me crazy.

Well it is a good thing that they don't build homes at the base of the towers, otherwise we would be in trouble. :rolleyes:
 
More...

Man, I feel like I'm in my Monday morning buyers meeting... lol

I will start off by saying that every single wind turbine manufacture in the world today are having huge problems with Q/A. Do the huge green movements from a few years ago turbines are on a three to 5 year back log for production. Almost all manufacturers are buying there gear boxes from Flender, wich was bought out two years ago by Winergy, wich was bought out last year by Seimens. Our 1.3 MW turbines are now 5 years old on Phaze one, 4 years old on phaze 2, and 1 month old on phaze 3. When we purchased these turbines we were gauranteed a 3% gear box failure rate over the 20 year life of the turbine. We have now in the past three years replaced 23 gear boxes out of 49 turbines and are still in the process of replacing every singel main bearing on site wich was guarenteed to be a 0% failure rate. Not too Dammm good! Our turbines are Bonus turbines, supposed to be the highest quality in the world, absolutely the most expensive. Seimens has since bought them out.

Vestas has there largest wind site in the world right next to us in Milton Freewater, OR. They have over 700, 685 KW turbines. They have had over 100 generators blow up and egads of gear box failures and underground main cables blowing up from arcing undergournd. This is after they did massive blade replacement as their blades were too lite and risked striking towers during high winds under operation.

Most of these evolutions take a minimum of three huge cranes, lots of man hours and planning to perform. Not to mention, now you fall behing on scheduled maitenance due to major component replacement... So you hire more people! More money, more money, more money. These babies loose money every frickn time the rotor turns! But, it used to satisfy the tree huggers, now they are *****n' that we are all killing birds! Let me tell ya, dumb firckn' birds, that's for sure. If you can't dodge a 156' blade going a wopping 13 to 20 RPM's, I call that natural selection!
 
the one I listened to was at the corner of hwy 22x and hwy 3 in southern alberta, 5 years old, farm house right next to it.

:eek: Please tell me that the farm house wasn't inhabited. Why would they build something so close? I can't imagine that happening in the US at all.

You got me.
 
There is a lot of people that look at the economics of those things, rates of return and whatnot. I would think if they were not economic then they wouldn't be putting them up.

Remember the people putting up the wind turbines are business people. They are there to make money. I highly doubt that they will be willing to loose profit for a feel-good story. Though I am sure it is used to get access to land for the turbines.

As far a wind turbines being a pos? Well it depends upon the type and the manufacturer. I would have a hard time believing that they are all, seems the economics wouldn't work out, but I don't know.

How new are the wind turbines you are talking about? Brand/type etc.

Makes sense. I trust Matty's take but don't know a lot about them yet.

The turbines I was talking about are going to be new. The project has a 100 mega watt (MW) total output and is looking at two types of turbines including 2.1 MW Suzlon's (47 turbines) and 2.4 MW Mitsubishi's (41 turbines). Both have an 80 meter hub height. That is according to the project engineer.
 
Pro nuke my friend,alternative energy is o.k , except it is unreliable, the place I work at we Make the fuel, it's the future get on this ride to substain our World. No Man left behind. Cheers Red Dog.
 
totaly agree here!!!

By the way, our newest 14 turbines are 2.3 MW Seimens turbines. Wind is very unreliable. There are a lot of days when our weather forcasting system that we pay $3500.00 a month for calls for high productive winds and we get no wind at all.

After spending two years working in a NUC plant, you soon learn learn that NUC power is just about the only thing America can realy rely on. I heard that congress has finaly approved the construction of 6 new power plants. I hope these suckers take off soon. Back to nuc power as fast as possible for me. Nothing is worse on a Monday morning than starting your day off climbing 200+ feet to start your day off. Loads of weahter you know.
 
After spending two years working in a NUC plant, you soon learn learn that NUC power is just about the only thing America can realy rely on. I heard that congress has finaly approved the construction of 6 new power plants. I hope these suckers take off soon. Back to nuc power as fast as possible for me. Nothing is worse on a Monday morning than starting your day off climbing 200+ feet to start your day off. Loads of weahter you know.

sorry matt but i am going to call bs on this statement. with all the hydro power we have around here that cost a fraction of the price of nuc and with all the stand by power that you are able to have if the nuc plant goes off line and you have to wait 48 hrs before you can bring it back. plus you have no worries about storing the waste from the rods that are spent that you have to find a spot to store for a 1000 years. hydro is the way to go.
 
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