I love being a wind turbine tech.... OUCH

[ruffryder]

1. WTF is a decimal, and how does a wind turbine produce 105 of them?

2. Prove to me (via a link) that the ones they are putting up in Ellensburg are 410 footers.

3. Show me the proof on the 105 dB.

4. Put one in my backyard, free of charge, hook my house to it, and I'll gladly take the view! Oh, actually, I'd rather have my own household nuke-reactor in the basement, but if wind it takes, then wind it is.

it should have been dB decibels.

Decibel

yah, we are calling bs on the sound measurement

sound of small wind turbines

note that large utility wind generators operate at much slower speeds than small scale

 

[Polarismaster26]

sorry about the wrong spelling. But hey you guy's can believe what ever you want. But if i can find a link to what is going on in ellensburg i will post it for you.

 

[HawkShot99]

Yea sorry about the mistake it is 105 Decimal's. Louder than a Four Stroke Bike louder than a V twin harley with the pipes off piss rapped. You dont hear the blade's in the wind 60 Ft wind mill's is one thing but 410 Ft is another.

Jimint Peak Ski Resort in Hancock Mass. has their own personel wind turbine.

I have stood 100 yds away from it when it is spinning at full speed. You can barely hear it. I have heard harleys with pipes off, and their is no comparison....

 

[Polarismaster26]

Here is some more info on what they want to do in E Burg.


http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/07/18/the-double-standard/

 

[08rmk]

LOL, you guys are telling someone who owns a cabin there, and is invloved in an association that he wrong about everything??? I live in Ellensburg, and on most of what he said was correct. So instead of making yourselves look dumb, id'e close your trap untill you got facts proving him wrong-(they dont exist)

 

[SAWYER]

I'm pro nuclear power plant and also pro wolf, just put both of them in Central Park. There is lots of room, most of the power demand is real close by, and it will also solve the homeless issue.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RMK7SledHead]

LOL, you guys are telling someone who owns a cabin there, and is invloved in an association that he wrong about everything??? I live in Ellensburg, and on most of what he said was correct. So instead of making yourselves look dumb, id'e close your trap untill you got facts proving him wrong-(they dont exist)

hey junior, thanks for piping up.


Just cause he's "involved in an association" doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Guess what, The Sierra Club is an "association"...do you believe everything they say too? Didn't think so.

"Most of what he said was correct." Okay, like what? Like the fact that they want to put up wind turbines where you guys live? Super...I'll give you that one. Point for you, none for me. How about the "decimals" that a wind turbine puts out? Is he correct about it being 105 dB? Do you realize how loud that is? All I said was "prove it." I've been near large wind turbines...I don't remember them being 105 dB...I think I'd remember that.

So, now, what exactly did your post have to do with the price of rice in China? I wanted facts. Not "this is what my Dad told me, which is what he heard from Bill down at the diner who is ALSO against them." I have no facts, but I dam well know his "points" aren't correct. My only qualification is being an aerospace engineer and knowing just enough about energy production to be able to look at something and say "ya, that would probably work."

As far as it goes, I'd welcome a nuclear facility in my back yard...or wind turbines in my front. I'm not a greeny, but I know what efficient and clean energy is, and those are two of the best ways to do it.


Oh, and finally, DO NOT point me to the "Anti-Ellensburg wind farm" site for "facts" unless they are supported there by references elsewhere. I've been on the losing side of an environmental battle and know very well how to twist things to suit ones agenda.

 

[Polarismaster26]

Oh boy mr. aerospace engineer come's out with a big hit. You know what your right! You know every thing cuz your a Senior member and were jr's but ghues what FU$$ YOU.

 

[drinkwyo]

Way to go Matty, now the kids are fighting again.
Another one of these fugg this fugg that thread.
grab the popcorn boys, its about to get heated in here
All this cuz of a windmill ooohhhhh

 

[08rmk]

ok there grand pappy, first of all, do you even know what kind of association I'm talking about?..... didn't think so. second, did i say he was right about how loud they were???? NO i did not. just because you have been near "large wind turbines" doesn't mean there loud? Also, that rice and china line was about the gayest thing ive heard in my 19 years. It sounds to me like your jelouse of my knowledge about the wind turbines going in, because if you think i got it from my dad, your WACKED.
Obviously if you choose to have a wind turbine in your yard, your property value is no where near what his is. if you were in his shoes, you would be saying the same thing about how you don't want them dam things.
SO for now there pappy, you just got sip your coffee and read the news paper..

P.S. I didn't point jack shi* to you. i think you'd better look at who your directing things too.

 

[RMK7SledHead]

ok there grand pappy, first of all, do you even know what kind of association I'm talking about?..... didn't think so.

Nope, I don't. But I also said that just cause he's involved doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. For the sake of the discussion, what type of association is he associated with?

second, did i say he was right about how loud they were???? NO i did not. just because you have been near "large wind turbines" doesn't mean there loud?

No, you did not. However, I also didn't say that you had said that, nor that you were wrong for saying it. I said that he needed to prove it. Show me how loud they are. The information is out there. All I was bringing to the discussion by saying I had experienced being near large turbines, was a bit of relevance. I'm sure you've been near them too...surely you realized that they weren't 105 dB, didn't you?

Also, that rice and china line was about the gayest thing ive heard in my 19 years. It sounds to me like your jelouse of my knowledge about the wind turbines going in, because if you think i got it from my dad, your WACKED.

Agreed on the "rice in China" quote...uncalled for. My apologies.

I am however, not one bit "jelouse" of your knowledge. I like facts. I thrive off them. I'm proven wrong every day of the week at work. I've learned enormous amounts of information by spouting off about a subject, being called out on it, then having to do the research and discover how or why something works. Any idea why a flatbed semi trailer is bent upwards and not downwards? I thought I knew...then I got called on it. Had to call the manufacturers engineering departments to try and justify myself...I was wrong. But I learned why ("because...we had to bend them one way, we chose up."). Knowledge is key. Gotta learn about this stuff, or else you'll sound uneducated and people won't believe the little bit you know that is actually true (not talking about you in particular...just generalities).

Obviously if you choose to have a wind turbine in your yard, your property value is no where near what his is. if you were in his shoes, you would be saying the same thing about how you don't want them dam things.
SO for now there pappy, you just got sip your coffee and read the news paper..

This is where we'll just have to disagree. Property value, you're probably right. But to say I wouldn't welcome a wind turbine near me or my house just isn't true. I guess I need to clarify myself a bit: I'd make it work for me. Cheaper power, or some other kickback if at all possible. But not just "no way. NIMBY."

P.S. I didn't point jack shi* to you. i think you'd better look at who your directing things too.

The pointing quote was directed at PM26, not you. Sorry if that wasn't clearer. I was saying that for the real facts, you can't look at just one side of the argument...the guys 100% against or for it are going to justify themselves by twisting things to meet their agenda.

All in the search for the facts guys...nothing personal.

 

[RMK7SledHead]

Oh boy mr. aerospace engineer come's out with a big hit. You know what your right! You know every thing cuz your a Senior member and were jr's but ghues what FU$$ YOU.

Stating my profession was only there to show that I'm not completely talking out the wrong end of my body. Nothing more. Just saying that I've got enough head on my shoulders to understand basic stuff.

I'm asking pointed questions that should have definite answers. I've recently learned that a 410' tall wind turbine is pretty standard (doing my own research). Although the ones overseas that are that large are also 5 MW not the 2.5 MW that the ones near Ellensburg will be.

Senior member vs. junior member had NOTHING to do with this conversation. I was referring to the style of writing that you and 08rmk had undertaken. From the post quoted above I will only say that I seem to have struck a chord. All I want is the facts. How loud are they? How much will the property value really suffer? How much pollution did it take to create these wind turbines that will in turn create pollution free power?

Again, nothing personal.

 

[HawkShot99]

Jimint Peak Ski Resort in Hancock Mass. has their own personel wind turbine.

I have stood 100 yds away from it when it is spinning at full speed. You can barely hear it. I have heard harleys with pipes off, and their is no comparison....

Ok have gone and done research on this one. I know it is quiet but here is the #'s.

How much noise will the wind turbine create?

* When the turbine is running at full capacity one would measure about 60 decibels at the bottom of the tower. Sound attenuates as one moves away from the source so at about 200 yards, the sound level would be less than 30 decibels which is equivalent to a quiet whisper.

This turbine is slightly smaller than the ones you are saying however. The turbine is 386 feet tall, and produces 1.5MW.

Again, not a straight piped Harley.........

 

[RMK7SledHead]

Ok have gone and done research on this one. I know it is quiet but here is the #'s.

This turbine is slightly smaller than the ones you are saying however. The turbine is 386 feet tall, and produces 1.5MW.

Again, not a straight piped Harley.........

60 dB at the bottom of the tower...not something I want to listen to all night (if the tower ran through my bedroom).

30 dB at 200 yds, more than quiet enough.


I'm not sure, but I'm sure matt22 can tell us, but most the noise should be wind noise off the blades, correct? Do the generators produce much of the noise?

 

[Wade]

This info does come from the wind farm company, so take the source into account:

Q: Are wind turbines noisy?
A: Noise was an issue with some early wind turbine designs in the 1980s, but the problem has been largely eliminated through improved engineering and by placing turbines appropriate distances away from homes. The minor noise that is caused when the blades turn is generally described as a "whoosh" or "swish" sound, and a small amount of noise is generated by the mechanical components of the turbine. It's easy to have a conversation in a normal tone of voice at the base of an operating turbine. At a distance of 1000 feet, the audible noise from a wind turbine is typically 45 to 50 average decibles, and is effectively masked by the background noise of the wind itself. To put this into perspective, a wind turbine at this distance is no noisier than the reading room of a library.

Link

Decibels are measured at a distance, so it would be easy to get 105 decibels at the tip of a blade, or in the gear box.

 

[Dam Dave]

Hydro Power baby, clean, quiet and renewable, and you can go fishing in my fuel tank

 

[tech a]

Hydro Power baby, clean, quiet and renewable, and you can go fishing in my fuel tank

How's the level of your "Fuel Tank"? Hopefully it will be topped off this
summer so I can play on/in it....

Matty, I told you to loctite them bolts...

Jeeper, things are Glowing good here in Cali too....

 

[skidoorulz]

There is a 100 tower wind farm between Harlowton and Judith Gap Montana. I have stopped right in the middle of that wind farm when the wind was blowing 40mph and got out of my truck just to watch them,(they are cool, It amazes me how they can stand with spinning blades on 1 pillar.) Any way I was amazed that I could hear nothing but the wind blowing. I think the 105 dB must be in the housing at the top. Put one in my back yard, I to will have free electric for the rent. I then would have more money to give to the oil companies. Before this wind farm in Ellensburg was proposed some people (and they know who they are) were probably down at the diner coplaining about the cost of power. We all need to remember as we sit here on our computers using power that it needs to be generated somehow. And with the drought issues this country has gone through in the last 10 years Hydro isn't as reliable as it used to be plus there are not alot of locations if any where more dams can be built in the U.S. Coal fired plants are getting cleaner and more efficiant but the again everyone says not in my back yard. Nuclear seems to have a good safety record but the ramifications of an accident are usually not very good. I think wind is a viable way to generate power and if we want affordable power wind turbines need to go somewhere.

 

[swampwater]

Thats great, put them all over the wilderness areas and see how the greenies scream when they have to live with them. Swampy

what would I rather have, pollution I can't see or pollution I can? I don't think your problem is as bad as you make it out to be. A lot of places in the midwest actually get increased tourism due to people visiting and seeing the wind farms. There has also been a lot of people that have changed there mind about the view and that they actually enjoy it.

I am not sure about the 108 dB's. That sounds very high (Louder than an open 4strk dirtbike). What would make that noise? You might be able to here the blades going in front of the tower, but I doubt you could hear anything from your location.

Thanks for the name calling, glad to have this discussion.

 

[slednutz]

we have hundreds of them here in southwest minnesota. In my town of pipestone one of them is at our high school and they basically are located around all directions of my town stretching for atleast 20 miles to the north and to the east I would say there at least is about 500 of them. Suzlon a companty who manufactures them resides in our town of 4000.