Hm turbo better than boondocker?

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

But once the Vipec is setup, my understanding is that there is not day to day tuning.... and especially no changes throughout the day. So there really shouldnt be a need to carry this around after its tuned for whatever setup you're running...

an iPhone/smartphone app would be coolest tho!

you got it.

 

[wrang]

What about Vipec with a box/touchscreen that you can easy adjust in the backcountry without a laptop?? Can it be made?? I'm running 13 Pro with BD Turbo @10psi straight pump gas @ sea level in Norway. The only problem I have is the lean spot I can't get rid of at 6000rpm

 

[m1kflyingtiger]

I was thinking more on the diagnostic side. I recently had my mag side injector wires rub through and spent 4 weeks chasing my tail trying to figure out the problem. Could happen on any kit, or a stock sled, and nothing to do with the box. If I had a vipec with m phone app, which I always take riding, when I first noticed it randomly cut out I could have run a data log, seen erratic egt/injector duty cycle or voltage, and the ecu try to compensate by adding more fuel. It would have at least taken chassis voltage, dead sensors, bad fuel pump, and boost leaks out if the equation of things that weren't broke that I took the time to fix and test.

 

[Kestrel2126]

So wait, let me get this straight, everyone else's boost gauges, whether computerized or mechanical, are wrong and by a large amount, but the Vipec is spot on? Is there some kind of proprietary space age unobtanium sensor that is used in this system that no one else can get? I'm by no means trying to bag on Vipec, but I mean really. I don't quite understand why this is the only boost gauge/sensor that works, and everyone else is junk.
Personally. I have an EBC, that I set my boost on at idle, and it then reads out what the boost is, throughout the entire throttle range as it builds. Should that not be sufficient, I have a mechanical gauge that I can tee into my boost line to check and make sure that the solenoid is reading accurately. When I have used this gauge, I have always been under 1PSI differential, either way.
All that said, I completely agree with philsummers, I could care less what the actual # is when I am riding. If I need more, I add more. If I need less, I take some away. It depends on the day and the terrain and the snow. I can go from the minimum of my WG, to as much as I can hold on to.

Last thing, I will suggest that the reason some of you are seeing "better" low boost performance with the HM kit, is that it is a much lighter duty, variable vane turbo, that is by nature, designed to lag less. That is the true benefit of an Aero turbo. I am not going to get into why I do not run an Aero on my sled, as that is my personal preference and opinions, and I am not trying to bash anyones product. I have reasons why I prefer the Garrett, and with the proper tuning, turbo size, housing and wheel, I feel very confident that I can get the bottom end, every bit as snappy as an Aero (the boost being tied into the TPS makes a big difference as well).

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

hm turbos do not run a mechanical boost gauge(unless you ask for one) and the big variation on mechanical gauges aren't seen on BD kit, some other kits(reaserch other post you will see), Hm turbos run a tue MAP sensor only and read MGP in reference to a BAP.Boondockers have a realy well thoughtout kit, functional and reliable, so is hm turbo. I like garret GTX turbos,i like the Aero, it all goes back to preferences. i like the Vi-pec ECU for the diagnostic capabilities making your life so much easier when something go wrong and a multitude of other reasons. Boondockers or Hm turbos ? both have advantages and disadvantages it goes back to preferences, and CUSTOMER SERVICE (wich would be number one on my list if i were to buy a kit.

 

[2XM3]

Well each has its own pros and cons, but lets get one thing straight about this "boost" reading, ive built all out blown alcohol racing motors for 25+ years and a pressure sensor in the manifold or a good guage will in FACT give you a accurate boost reading ..... PERIOD and I mean +/- 1/4 of a pound. End of story. If your guage is reading 4 pounds off throw it in the garbage and buy a GOOD ONE. Like wise if your fancy sensor says 6 and a good manual guage thats calibrated says 10, that sensor is headed right for the trashcan. I could care less about any pressure reading anywhere except at the manifold/port. And in order to have a true test all reading must be taken the exact same place by the SAME method.
And boost is boost, if the tuning is spot on, indentical engine set ups,and the inlet air tempature is the same, the engine does not know if it has a vipec, boost it, FAST,accel, fuel box, motec, or whatever it will make the exact same power. Now can you get a better fuel/timing curve with a laptop based system over a box ? Yes you can as there are more things you can mess with. And more things you can mess up...
Each turbo type also has its pros and cons as well so bottom line pick what you like and go ride and have fun.

and yes Customer service is MOST important by far, for reference, Shanes shop (hm) is 25 minutes from my house and he is a great guy to deal with as well.

 

[Catmydoo]

ok... So the vipec reads 6 psi cool!! Can someone with an HM kit put a chitty cheap boost gauge like the rest of us peasants on their sled. Will it show 10psi, if so is that not comparable.

 

[adam8781]

If you want the best bang for your buck go with Turbo Performance kit, Bryce and Josh have the best kit on the market hands down it putting the most horse power and the best quality products. The kit is extremely clean. I have mine set at eight pounds and it rocks! It's time people start giving these guys a chance and buy their kits you won't regret it! I've had mine out eight times and no issues at all, they have three fuel box to choose from so the skies are the limit for and your needs!

what kit did you go with? which garret? which box? tial? internal external?
Im pumped on those guys kits and I don't even own one yet! cant wait tho.


For the whole vipec vs, I completely believe the same power can be had at lower psi. The vipec unlocks so much hidden power, and the hm with that massive water to air system, unlocks the rest. vipec on any sled will have more power at the same psi as a piggy back system, I believe that. Look at the difference between a sibler with a dobec and a boost it, the gap between the boost it and vipec is even bigger.

 

[River Ratt]

Well I put an expensive liquid filled auto meter guage on my HM kit, I'll have to go into the Vipec and download what it says for boost, my guage is reading 7 lbs. I'll keep you posted on if there is a varience. Now I did personally see a HM sled at 6 lb on pump gas, run neck and neck with a silber on Ave gas 10 lb. IMO,The water to air intercooler is what makes the difference, this is why alot of Turbo drag cars have an ice box to cool the air. Denser the air, the better. The Vipec is just a nice expensive addition to make the sled a Pull the Rope and play. My turbo was installed at home, 3 pulls and sled started and ran great out of the box, we just had to adjust the primary weights that come with the kit. Very smooth no turbo lag.

 

[EZmoney]

So one gauge was found to be not reading correctly and so all gauges are deemed to read wrong now? Hmm

 

[BigAir]

Is anyone selling a kit with the Vipec and a Tial Garret turbo?

 

[tdblakes]

Is anyone selling a kit with the Vipec and a Tial Garret turbo?

Push Turbos http://www.pushturbo.com/Polaris.html

 

[800dragon_rmk]

Little off subject but has anyone ran a push yet? Last I heard they where still waiting for clutching ?? Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[tdblakes]

Little off subject but has anyone ran a push yet? Last I heard they where still waiting for clutching ?? Correct me if I'm wrong

This is the only thread about one I've seen on the forum
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316422&highlight=push

 

[snow4shover]

simply hook your laptop,turn on the vipec tuning software, press f3 to go online with the ECU, press f8 to start a log,go for a quick 10 second rip at wot,pressf8 again (stop logger) and check your log file and look for MAP sensor or MGP(true psi).....all that done under a minute.

How do you go online in the mountains.....there aren't wireless hotspots everywhere or coffee shops. So if people have problems in the mountains a datalog at their houses isn't going to solve the problem in the mountains.

I have found Mech. Boost gauges work great as long as it has vacuum and boost. Otherwise a little bit of vacuum pulling on the gauge will slowly start ruining it.

 

[m1kflyingtiger]

I think he means online as far as connected and running with the ecu not online as in the Internet.

The idea behind the standalone is you would not have tuning issues, once set up, in the mountians. I know it sounds rediculous to think you would need a computer to adjust the ecu. How often do you see someone wishing they could adjust the stock ecu in the feild? I know the sled is only as good as the guy tuning it, but I would MUCH rather not have to tune it in the feild all together. If something goes wrong that would cause you to need to make adjustment wouldn't it be better to run a data log and have it tell you what's wrong rather than just adjust it a bit to compensate for whatever is wrong with it?

Just my .02.

You guys make a great, aforadable, product that allows us to do amazing things on a sled. There will ALWAYS be market for that as most people don't want to pay the extra 2500 plus tuning to run mods. That being said the vi-pec and dobek box are two different leagues of mods. Comparing the two is like comparing a race sled and a mountian sled on a touring trip. They will both do the job, but they aren't there to serve the same purpose Look at the diesel truck world, just because efi live is availabe doesn't mean everyone is using it.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

I think he means online as far as connected and running with the ecu not online as in the Internet.

thought it was obvious for everyone!!!

 

[Muldonc]

Hm turbo that's

In the process of gettin a 12 pro with an hm turbo. Spoke with Shane of hm he said that one of or perhaps their highest priorities was reliability. My sled will be set up at 190hp with the option of 240. At 190, I asked about the piston and cylinders and he said not to worry till about 3k - 4k miles. Too me, are there other kits that will provide this statement? He also said it dint matter where I rode I would be running 190, may need to adjust weights for elevation but he will tell me the right weight to run. Oh comes with adjustable weights.

 

[die hard poo]

In the process of gettin a 12 pro with an hm turbo. Spoke with Shane of hm he said that one of or perhaps their highest priorities was reliability. My sled will be set up at 190hp with the option of 240. At 190, I asked about the piston and cylinders and he said not to worry till about 3k - 4k miles. Too me, are there other kits that will provide this statement? He also said it dint matter where I rode I would be running 190, may need to adjust weights for elevation but he will tell me the right weight to run. Oh comes with adjustable weights.

His kits sound great to me, but what I don't understand is why you have to change your weights for elevation if he claims that it makes 190/240 at any altitude. The reason you have to change your weights is because you make more/less power... I know that Vipec is getting altitude compensation, but I don't think they have it at this time... Correct me please if I am wrong.

 

[snow4shover]

thought it was obvious for everyone!!!

"Connected" would have made more sense to me....sorry.