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[ruffryder]

Yes it is advanced and I would it expect it to advance even more with each new discovery and advancements in treatment and technology, whatever that may be. Do you like the car or truck your driving today as opposed to the one you grew up in riding around in with your parents? Cars and trucks sure are more expensive these days tho'... or are people demanding better vehicles for driving?

Yep, and I have no problem paying for it, though, I don't think I will EVER buy a new vehicle. One thing is that people don't want to pay for the health care they are getting. Look at all the complaining about premiums. People use more expensive treatment, then the bills increase, and people complain.. I think there is a serious problem with the fact that most people in the health care industry don't know what things cost. I doubt most doctors know what things bill out as. Most patients have no clue either. Is that good? If this is a capitalist market, shouldn't we be avid participants instead of blind users?

Better yet....how about if you make this decision for a mom and dad who's 5 year old was just diagnosed with leukemia and has a 50-50 chance of surviving another 5 years with treatment....let's go ahead and say...sorry folks, because of the cost of treatment and the odds your kid is gonna' die anyway....someday....the US Govt Health Panel guidelines say your child is not eligble for help or treatment.

Where do we draw the lines Ruffy...and who draw's them...you? Would you want to?

Right now, the insurance companies are the ones drawing the lines first. Then people go bankrupt drawing the line in a different place.

Though, this is just an example for terminal care. A lot of care doesn't require the new fancy MRI's and all that nonesense, just good old doctoring can do most of it. Yes, the high tech equipment / procedures does have its uses, but it seems it is used more often then it needs to be. People equate newer stuff = better care. Is that really so?

 

[defysgravity]

Wow....looks like the Obamanauts aren't addressing the people who are truley making an outrageous profit in the healthcare industry...Biotech, drug and medical device manufacturers....
4% average for insurance providers and healthcare servicers....I wish I could make 4% profit in construction these days....

Amgen (biotechnology): Profit margin, 30.6 percent
Gilead Sciences (biotechnology): 37.6 percent
Celgene Corp. (biotechnology): 11.9 percent
Johnson & Johnson (drug manufacturer): 20.8 percent
Pfizer (drug manufacturer): 16.3 percent
GlaxoSmithKline (drug manufacturer): 17.4 percent

Unitedhealth Group (healthcare plans): 4.1 percent
WellPoint (healthcare plans): 4 percent
Aetna (healthcare plans): 3.9 percent
MedcoHealth Solutions (healthcare services): 2.1 percent
Express Scripts (healthcare services): 3.7 percent
Quest Diagnostics (healthcare services): 8.7 percent

Medtronic (medical equipment): 14.9 percent
Baxter International (medical equipment): 17.5 percent
Covidien (medical equipment): 12.3 percent

Sources: Morningstar; Capital IQ. Similar data on the most recently quarterly profit margins for a number of industries and firms are available on the Web at the Yahoo Finance Industry Center.

 

[ruffryder]

Wow....looks like the Obamanauts aren't addressing the people who are truley making an outrageous profit in the healthcare industry...Biotech, drug and medical device manufacturers....
4% average for insurance providers and healthcare servicers....I wish I could make 4% profit in construction these days....

I think you are confusing what I am saying.. I am not saying that they are making too much. You are correct, insurance providers and health care servicers an average don't make that much money. What I am saying though, is that they pass the costs directly back onto us, and we have few to blame but ourselves for the high and ever increasing costs for health care. Though, the system is designed to isolate the user from the costs of the service (the whole point of insurance) and we therefore don't have much need for knowledge about costs. Also, something to think about with the 4% profit. Selling more services, increases that profit as well, even if it keeps it at 4%, the 4% is of a bigger number.

 

[DOO DAWG]

Anyone seen THIS????


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Subject: FW: Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp


I am speechless


Had never heard the word until now---Type it into Google and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The man is leading us right down the path to total control!
Word of the Day: Dhimmitude
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it - quickly.
PS
Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community! Pretty soon we can relocate to the middle east because all the Muslims will be here.