Help Stop Obamacare
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DOO DAWG
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I love the way you step into it ruffy and then complain when you are challenged.
You intimate I am a old goat living in a care center under state medicaid and get upset when I simply call you a clown, especially when you claim to be a part time comedian. Typical liberal tactic, love to dish it out but can't take a challenge. wish I had more time but some of us have to work when at work. Swampy
I find it interesting coming from someone on social security, medicare, medicaid...
I just figured you were an old man that is on government systems and saying how bad they are...[/QUOTE
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Here i am with 2 threads on 2 other sites navigating all over them while waiting for this one to load one page! now I have to wait while I login while replying to others on the other sites and after that it takes another 10 minutes to get where I FINALLY am now, just so I can finally say that in this exchange I see which Member is doing all the ASSUMING. We all know what happens after that don't we?
I think I'll go fill out another report card on (Oh wait, I already did while waiting on these servors) Obummer!
Ted Nugent for President!
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Watch the video, enough said.
http://www.thefoxnation.com/entertai...ent-shoot-pigs
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Nugent ROCKED then...He ROCKS now!! And this site is SLOWWWWWW
Wow.... this one happened so much faster!
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I can't find anything showing compromise on these add on's to the bill....except maybe between Demo's who hold the majority anyway. There was no compromise with the Repubs...
This health care bill is so important and so far reaching, it should have never been up to the government to vote on it. It should have been up to the people. That way, yea or nea, at least if you didnt vote you couldnt *****. Most of the politicians in Washington, and I do mean MOST of them do not have the best interests of the American people at heart. It is unnacceptable. As far as requiring people to buy health care, its outrageous. 32 million new customers for the insurance giants. I wonder how much they had to pay for that? You cant tell me that that number wont make them money. Its sickening.
Agreed on the not letting people complain about the outcome if they didn't vote, but I don't trust the majority of people in this country. Most of them don't know much about the current bill. Like a poster on this thread that thought that the limits for coverage were going to be 10k per family. I wouldn't want him voting for anything.
Good points, but what are your thoughts on states making you buy car insurance in order to get your car registered? It is the same thing, no?
Right, and do you think all the Senators and Representatives read all 3,000 pages of this bill. I bet you they didn't. I bet you NONE of them did. I wouldnt want them voting on something like this. They had nothing to lose, as there health care is already in place.
As far as car insurance, yes its required for all people to drive your car on public roads. You are not required unless you own a car. Not every person owns a car.
This is where I doo have a problem with this bill...It's NOT the same thing Ruffy. I'm required to purchase automobile insurance not for MYSELF but rather for the OTHERS on the road in case I hit or damage them. And the fact of the matter is...I don't even need to buy auto insurance if I ride a motorcycle, take public trans, or bum rides.
Then there's the question of enforcement... Who enforces this? Do we have a new burecacy, health insurance police if you will?? Will they be going door-to door? The same people who CAN"T AFFORD health care now ARE somehow going to magically be able to afford it now? This part is the joke to me. Along with the strikes against small business.
This part was a CAVE-IN on the part of the LEFT wing so the insurance co's wouldn't fight tooth and nail on the 2 points I lay out later.
Defy...I don't just give up on the whole pie if I don't like parts of it. The right wing should've come to the table here. The demofags are the corporate ***-kissers and right wing looks like they don't care about people. Both suck IMO.
What is wrong with Insurance companies NOT being allowed to kick people off when they get sick?
What is wrong for denying pre-existing conditions?
Hopefully this bill will get tweaked as I doo see cost going up even more from it. The cost control is what's GOTTA be fixed and unfortunately was left out.
Sorry, but a single payer system is long overdue.
The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. I figure I pay $1000 a month for my family right now for health insurance. If I just cancel it, I pocket the extra grand every month, and take my chance on getting caught for the $1000 fine. I'll pay my office visits, & check ups out of my pocket, because I guarantee it's not gonna cost me $12,000 a year.
Then if something major happens, I'll just go get insurance, because they can't deny me for my pre existing conditions.
Maybe Obama will do this for auto also, so I won't have to purchase my car insurance, until after I get into the wreck. That would save me another couple thousand a year. Then maybe with life insurance also. I'll just leave my wife with a few hundred bucks to buy a million dollar policy after I die. The government is brilliant!
In all seriousness, they need to tell the health insurance companies they can't deny people for pre existing conditions, but they shouldn't have to cover any pre existing conditions on people either. All that's gonna do is raise the cost for the honest people who already pay for there health insurance, and are still healthy. JMO!
Then if something major happens, I'll just go get insurance, because they can't deny me for my pre existing conditions.
Maybe Obama will do this for auto also, so I won't have to purchase my car insurance, until after I get into the wreck. That would save me another couple thousand a year. Then maybe with life insurance also. I'll just leave my wife with a few hundred bucks to buy a million dollar policy after I die. The government is brilliant!
In all seriousness, they need to tell the health insurance companies they can't deny people for pre existing conditions, but they shouldn't have to cover any pre existing conditions on people either. All that's gonna do is raise the cost for the honest people who already pay for there health insurance, and are still healthy. JMO!
So am I to take this as an apoligy for the your initial claim or are you validating my determination you can pass it out but you can't take it coming back. Swampy
I didn't call you names..... Do you want an apology for my assumptions that I made about you?
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Like I stated earlier...I'd punch someone in the face that stated "B" to my face. It is simply NOT TRUE!! However, I agree with everything else you said. Hopefully this bill will screw up everything just enough, that they will have to fix health care the RIGHT WAY once and for all.
Here's a novel situation...A Canadian who pays the same % in taxes that I doo and his % includes healthcare insurance AND a pension??? I keep telling the wife we should move to Canada for the sleddin.
Depending upon how much money you make....why? This is the part that sucks azz on all govt. programs...It is a disinsentive to working hard and achieving more because the more you make the more the govt. takes to cover the lazy arsses in a welfare state. Just using a term, not calling Canada a welfare state..but my point is, and this bill has it, once people figure out the loophole of not paying and only recieving a fine that is less than 10% of what they should have been paying, it will fail...it will go broke and it will be a mess because the govt. will have to start scrambling to cover the costs of their program.
In this bill, if you make more than 200k you pay more...why? Because if you get injured, your broken bone will cost more to treat than the guy who works at Mickey D's...? Cost sharing....there's a great term...
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snowmobiler
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"i was never denied medical care"
down here they say ...kiss my azz sucker.i dont care if i was your primary doctor for 40 years.. CASH OR CREDIT CARDS FIRST BEOTCH.
this happend to me
down here they say ...kiss my azz sucker.i dont care if i was your primary doctor for 40 years.. CASH OR CREDIT CARDS FIRST BEOTCH.
this happend to me
Ruffy...please justify and support your position that "we as americans are demanding the greatest and most technological healthcare possible" argument. I don't buy into that one, let alone see it. It's called capitalism when a clinic opens and they have all the latest and greatest because they want to serve the patients in the area rather than let them go to the next town for service isn't it? Really no different than having 2 BK's in the same town is it?
We have had 2 brand new clinics open in the last 18 months here in little ole' Post Falls...why? It ain't because people were protesting and picketing some other clinic or hospital in Coeur d Alene for poor service...I don't recall every seeing this on the major news networks or in the paper.
We have had 2 brand new clinics open in the last 18 months here in little ole' Post Falls...why? It ain't because people were protesting and picketing some other clinic or hospital in Coeur d Alene for poor service...I don't recall every seeing this on the major news networks or in the paper.
I lived in Bend for 19 years...I was told to at least try to pay something, 10 bucks or what ever...never denied. And I have had office managers at other places that were beotch's..depends on the doctor I guess.
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snowmobiler
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monday my 40 year dentist said the same thing.times are changing.
Well, I think our health care system is pretty advanced, don't you? We expect miracles from doctors, and expect them to do EVERYTHING they possibly can, ALL THE TIME. Even when it doesn't make any difference in the outcome and the doctors are to chicken to tell the patient so.
What is the causality? Is it because we need it? Or is it because we want it and we think new stuff is better then old stuff?
edit: Also, is it because these new technologies have a higher profit margin then the old ones? Is it easier to "sell" the service compared to other things?
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Yes it is advanced and I would it expect it to advance even more with each new discovery and advancements in treatment and technology, whatever that may be. Do you like the car or truck your driving today as opposed to the one you grew up in riding around in with your parents? Cars and trucks sure are more expensive these days tho'... or are people demanding better vehicles for driving?
If you asked a doctor upon learning you have a potentially termial illness what your odds of survival are if you take treatment, would you take the treatment at 50-50? How about 40-60...What if it was 25-75, would you do the treatment or just ride it out....Better yet, would you want someone you don't even know deciding the line at which treatment is a waste, yet still possibly able to cure you? Where do you draw the line and how? Money, cost, odds of survival?
Better yet....how about if you make this decision for a mom and dad who's 5 year old was just diagnosed with leukemia and has a 50-50 chance of surviving another 5 years with treatment....let's go ahead and say...sorry folks, because of the cost of treatment and the odds your kid is gonna' die anyway....someday....the US Govt Health Panel guidelines say your child is not eligble for help or treatment.
Where do we draw the lines Ruffy...and who draw's them...you? Would you want to?
