Habervision: Say it ain't so.

[AndrettiDog]

I was about to outfit the family with Habervision and now I will NOT. I'm sick to death of these wilderness advocacy groups. I could care less about what goes on in Africa but I can tell you we have enough wilderness here in Montana period!!! And that group will support any wilderness legislation here. Also be careful to blindly support the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, they're a very anti-motorized group. I'm an avid elk hunter, have been for 44 years, and I haven't benefited one bit from anything they've done.

Habervision does not support Wilderness locally. That's what this thread is about. The Wild.org is a worldwide wildlife organization. You say you are an avid hunter so I would think you could relate. At some point we have to make some distinction in how a group "supports" anything. I'll bet money that your favorite snowmobile manufacturer supports some group that supports another that eventually supports wilderness even here in Colorado! It's just not cut and dry.

This thread should have never came about because Haber was flammed w/o a good understanding of where their true loyalties are. I KNOW there are several people on this 4M that aren't even local club members or members of their state association.

 

[tudizzle]

By the looks of it Habervision is for whatever will sell more goggles that day.

 

[CatWoman]

Gore-Tex is supporting BRC (Blue Ribbon Coalition) as a sponsor. http://www.sharetrails.org/releases/?story=726&filter=media

 

[Trax 2 Treadz]

http://www.wild.org/

So this group wants to create more and more wilderness. They are partnered with Habervision. Haber is also teamed with sledding groups and several other "Green Movement" type groups.

I would like to understand how a company can rely on the sledding market for income and then partner up with a group that can potentially destroy what we all love to do.

Not meant to bash Haber, but more wanting to know WTF?

Give Habervision a call. 855-295-6812 or 303-459-2220 and ask for Jani. She would be more than happy to clarify Habervision's stance on matters such as this.

 

[TIM]

Again, it is a fine line. When does supporting your Elk Foundation or Duck Unlimited go against supporting snowmobilling? I can tell you that neither of those organizations are are very motorized sport friendly.


i know alot of people dropping support for the rmef. i do believe that the new president is trying to make rmef more neutral when it comes to wilderness. It is sad when people who only like one sport don't allow others to like multiple sports. i love to hunt and i make a couple of trips a year into designated wilderness. have been all my life. but that doesn't mean i support new widlerness. Some people just can't seem to see the difference.

also the last name trujillo is known in the sheep hunting world. any relation.

also pj i have found a lot of garbage where sledders are. they are not perfect. you can tell the beer bottles sledders drop. they are nowhere near a road, like the beer bottles that atv'ers drop. all people pollute. i haven't really seen a difference in groups. multiday river runners would be the one exception. they are trained to look for micro garbage.




thanks
tim

 

[suitcase]

Im not near as worried where I spend my dollars, as far as gear and such. As much as I am about the butt nuggets that run the Goverment right now. They are just as much to blame, if not more of the problem. Change the policys, and this problem goes away, or at least becomes a none issue.

Don't get me wrong I try to go in the right direction when it comes to where I spend my money. But Im not giving up on Gortex. I love my Klim gear, LOL
so shoot me

 

[milehighassassin]

i know alot of people dropping support for the rmef. i do believe that the new president is trying to make rmef more neutral when it comes to wilderness. It is sad when people who only like one sport don't allow others to like multiple sports. i love to hunt and i make a couple of trips a year into designated wilderness. have been all my life. but that doesn't mean i support new widlerness. Some people just can't seem to see the difference.

also the last name trujillo is known in the sheep hunting world. any relation.

also pj i have found a lot of garbage where sledders are. they are not perfect. you can tell the beer bottles sledders drop. they are nowhere near a road, like the beer bottles that atv'ers drop. all people pollute. i haven't really seen a difference in groups. multiday river runners would be the one exception. they are trained to look for micro garbage.




thanks
tim

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No relation, to my knowledge.

agreed on the trash. There have been days that I have filled my pack up with other people's beer cans.

 

[duc848]

Of everything you posted on the list, I have bought one pair of Columbia shoes in my life. I won't buy any more. Unfortunatley, no more Adidas for me either. I was unaware of that. Also, Gor-Tex has now apparently switched sides.

I realize what you're saying here, but, out of all those companies you listed ..

How many of them CLAIM to be pro-motoroized access and cater to the snowmobiler/ORV crowd? None that I can think of.

I think that is what the major issue here with Habervision donating to Wild.Org is.

Kinda playing both sides of the fence, right?

What are you gonna haul your sleds with then? A Toyota? Chevy, Ford, and Dodge are on the list as well.

 

[Dogmeat]

What are you gonna haul your sleds with then? A Toyota? Chevy, Ford, and Dodge are on the list as well.

Guess that leaves me buying that or a Titan.

 

[JHG]

You clearly investigated HaberVision's website to find who we support, but you don't read on Wild.org's site to see what they are about.

Have you read their whole website?

Wild.org is a group that is working to protect species habitat. To my knowledge and their website they are not working to create wilderness in Colorado, or even North America for that matter.

I'm not so sure about that...

Taken from their website.

"As the hub of the global wilderness conservation movement, WILD is the only international organization dedicated entirely and explicitly to wilderness protection around the world."

"wilderness areas provide essential social, spiritual, biological and economic benefits. We believe that intact wilderness areas are an essential core element of a healthy modern society."

"Our work for wilderness is only possibly with the generous support of individuals, like you, who are concerned about our planet. Go WILD and support wilderness world-wide by making a contribution at any level"

"We promote the most effective wildlands legislation and management to benefit human communities;"


These people are greenies....and you're are supporting them. I don't really see how you can dispute that.

 

[JHG]

It's been said that these guys are protecting "worldwide wildlife". Based on their site that is incorrect, it says all over their site that they are "worldwide Wilderness" Colorado, Montana, Utah, Canada, Japan.... they are all in the world, thus having their land "protected" by the "worldwide wilderness" protectors at WILD.

 

[milehighassassin]

It's been said that these guys are protecting "worldwide wildlife". Based on their site that is incorrect, it says all over their site that they are "worldwide Wilderness" Colorado, Montana, Utah, Canada, Japan.... they are all in the world, thus having their land "protected" by the "worldwide wilderness" protectors at WILD.

None of their project are in the Colorado, Utah, even the United States. Their projects are listed above in my original reply. They work mostly in Africa and South America.

 

[JHG]

While their current projects don't list places in the US, their past accomplishments do. Again, from their website under recent accomplishments.

"Creation of six new Intergovernmental Working Groups involving US, Canadian, Mexican, and other government agencies to stimulate ongoing collaboration on conservation matters"

Launch of a “New Vision for Protecting the Marine Wilderness of the Gulf of California”


Their site also lists collaborations with the Serria Club as well as other VERY pro US wilderness organizations.

 

[milehighassassin]

The point is they are not shutting down riding areas currently. There are MUCH MUCH bigger fish to fry. Pick your fights, there are already a large number of groups that are actively working to close down riding areas, why waste you time, money and energy fighting a group that is not shutting down our riding areas?

 

[Fireman35]

If they are rubbing elbows with the seirra club then they could be trding dollars with them also to do work here in the US. I dont trust that just because they arent nosing around the states now doesnt mean that they wont be when they get bored of whatever they have going in other parts of the world. I saw that list a year or so ago and do my best to not frequent the places on the list of contributers. Home depot says they were a 2k dollar donation and it was probably made so they could put up a store in an area that someone was picketing for some bird wetland?

 

[JHG]

The point is they are not shutting down riding areas currently. There are MUCH MUCH bigger fish to fry. Pick your fights, there are already a large number of groups that are actively working to close down riding areas, why waste you time, money and energy fighting a group that is not shutting down our riding areas?

I don't think anyone is picking a fight with them, I think people are just concerned that you are supporting them. If I buy a product from you and you use the proceeds to support a group that believes "wilderness areas provide essential social, spiritual, biological and economic benefits" and "intact wilderness areas are an essential core element of a healthy modern society." then I think their maybe a conflict of interest.

I'm not ganging up you or habervision, I'm just saying that it seems like you guys could find a better organization to support, that is unless you are intentionally playing both sides of the fence.

I think that most sledders would rather buy a product from a company like 509 where there are no gray areas or questionable contributions being made.

There is no denying that WILD is a pro wilderness organization.

 

[Trax 2 Treadz]

We have been talking with Habervision and they maintain the statements of late about whom Habervision supports are incorrect and/or misleading.

They feel as their organization consists of avid sportspeople with a wide range of interests including activities such as dirt biking and snowmobiling and as such they have never knowingly contributed to an organization that that is involved in creating more wilderness or setting restrictions on back country access by motorized motorsports.

Again, please feel free to contact Habervision @ 855-295-6812 or 303-459-2220 and ask for Jani. Or alternatively if Christopher is willing we can perhaps make arrangements for Steve Haber to sign on to the chat box at a designated time and talk about Habervision.

 

[AndrettiDog]

Ok, there are two Haber reps giving you information that includes phone numbers to dispute the claim that HaberVision is supporting wilderness efforts in Colorado. So instead of keyboard jockying, why don't you pick the phone up and go to work there?

 

[backcountryislife]

Bugito, not trying to be part of the gang... but, the only thing that matters to most people is the $$. IF someone donates to a pro wilderness organization, nobody cares what their stance is, they just care where the $$ is going.

As the saying goes... money talks.

How to read this organization seems very up in the air though.

Btw, Steve could very easily just sign on like anyone else & talk about the issue here, no need for any special arrangements.

 

[Trax 2 Treadz]

http://www.wild.org/

So this group wants to create more and more wilderness. They are partnered with Habervision. Haber is also teamed with sledding groups and several other "Green Movement" type groups.

Not meant to bash Haber, but more wanting to know WTF?

I think you missed the point, PJ-Hunter wanted to know WTF and Habervision is saying it is not so.