Great Burn on Montana/Idaho border--STILL TIME TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS!!!
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IT's baaaaaaaaack.
Speak up and save ALL of our riding areas.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344288
Speak up and save ALL of our riding areas.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344288
Please read below and pass the word. It's the latest developments pertaining to the Great Burn including Beaver Ridge area.
email from Stan Spencer (Missoula Snow Goers) -
A very positive development has occurred regarding the Great Burn including Beaver Ridge. The FS is using a map I developed, as a baseline for discussion purposes re: snowmobile areas in the Clearwater NF collaborative planning process.
Subsequent to our last collaborative meeting on Apr 13 they have requested more information going back to the NPA we proposed in 2008.
Sandra Mitchell, Art Seamans, and I are working on a “talking points” presentation to help everyone make an informed, meaningful comment. We are also working on a presentation the FS have asked us for to go on the FS website.
At this point I just want to give everyone a “heads up” that we will try get the “talking points” and comment site information to you on or before Apr. 26.
In the meantime talk to as many people as you can to make sure they stay tuned to comment. The comment period will be very short as we absolutely need it completed before the next collaborative meeting on May 18 and 19.
This is going to be the one time shot at getting the Clearwater Forest Plan to include boundary adjustments to accommodate our riding areas. That outcome would over-ride the current travel plan. I believe, WITH A STRONG COMMENT EFFORT, it will happen.
Stan Spencer
stanspencer@montana.com
email from Stan Spencer (Missoula Snow Goers) -
A very positive development has occurred regarding the Great Burn including Beaver Ridge. The FS is using a map I developed, as a baseline for discussion purposes re: snowmobile areas in the Clearwater NF collaborative planning process.
Subsequent to our last collaborative meeting on Apr 13 they have requested more information going back to the NPA we proposed in 2008.
Sandra Mitchell, Art Seamans, and I are working on a “talking points” presentation to help everyone make an informed, meaningful comment. We are also working on a presentation the FS have asked us for to go on the FS website.
At this point I just want to give everyone a “heads up” that we will try get the “talking points” and comment site information to you on or before Apr. 26.
In the meantime talk to as many people as you can to make sure they stay tuned to comment. The comment period will be very short as we absolutely need it completed before the next collaborative meeting on May 18 and 19.
This is going to be the one time shot at getting the Clearwater Forest Plan to include boundary adjustments to accommodate our riding areas. That outcome would over-ride the current travel plan. I believe, WITH A STRONG COMMENT EFFORT, it will happen.
Stan Spencer
stanspencer@montana.com
Great Burn Update from Backcountry Sled Patriots
No news is good news…I hope. The Clearwater NF has removed from its website: notice of a winter travel map coming out in early 2013. At least I can’t find it. It was originally posted late 2012. Even though the Great Burn is technically closed due to the Clearwater NF travel plan, legally the closure can’t be enforced until the winter travel maps are released to the public.
The Clearwater NF collaborative meetings have been set back to early 2014. I’ll keep you updated as these move forward. Once a plan draft is released which I’m guessing will be April/May there will be two rounds of comment/objection opportunity. I know a lot of you stepped up to comment through the e-collaborative process last spring which was fantastic. I believe (hope) that resulted in a significant turning point in our favor in this Forest Plan. It looked to me that snowmobiler comments outweighed the Wilderness people by about 5 to 1. First time I ever saw that happen. They will, however, realize this and be rallying their troops the next go around. I also know from past experience that if people comment once they seem to lose an interest in commenting again. The wilderness advocates have the same problem. So to prevail we will need to make our voice heard loud and clear through comments when the comment/objection periods open. Even if we get a proposed plan that we want it will be necessary to comment to support it. I’ll be pestering you with a repeat of this message as we get closer to “crunch time”. I just wanted to start a dialogue now so hopefully you will pass the word along well out in front of the actual comment/ objection periods.
The Great Burn lawsuit is in a holding pattern. The next step is the Federal Judge in Boise will either request **** hearings or make a summary judgment. When I checked a couple of weeks ago there was no indication when that may happen.
No news is good news…I hope. The Clearwater NF has removed from its website: notice of a winter travel map coming out in early 2013. At least I can’t find it. It was originally posted late 2012. Even though the Great Burn is technically closed due to the Clearwater NF travel plan, legally the closure can’t be enforced until the winter travel maps are released to the public.
The Clearwater NF collaborative meetings have been set back to early 2014. I’ll keep you updated as these move forward. Once a plan draft is released which I’m guessing will be April/May there will be two rounds of comment/objection opportunity. I know a lot of you stepped up to comment through the e-collaborative process last spring which was fantastic. I believe (hope) that resulted in a significant turning point in our favor in this Forest Plan. It looked to me that snowmobiler comments outweighed the Wilderness people by about 5 to 1. First time I ever saw that happen. They will, however, realize this and be rallying their troops the next go around. I also know from past experience that if people comment once they seem to lose an interest in commenting again. The wilderness advocates have the same problem. So to prevail we will need to make our voice heard loud and clear through comments when the comment/objection periods open. Even if we get a proposed plan that we want it will be necessary to comment to support it. I’ll be pestering you with a repeat of this message as we get closer to “crunch time”. I just wanted to start a dialogue now so hopefully you will pass the word along well out in front of the actual comment/ objection periods.
The Great Burn lawsuit is in a holding pattern. The next step is the Federal Judge in Boise will either request **** hearings or make a summary judgment. When I checked a couple of weeks ago there was no indication when that may happen.
This is the latest from Stan Spencer/Sled Patriots
GOOD NEWS!!
I just got an update from Sandra Mitchell a couple of hours ago. Art Seamans picked up a copy of the freshly released Motor Vehicle Use Maps yesterday and after a night of studying them they found the new MVUM’s do not have a winter use map included, so unless something changes, the Great Burn area Travel Plan closure will not be enforceable without the winter use maps being published. Just as an FYI the MVUM’s that were published consist of 68 81/2 X 11 pages. How many trees will that take to distribute them to the public?. I am still cautiously optimistic that by not publishing the winter use maps the FS is leaning to an accommodation for snowmobiling in the current Collaborative Forest Planning process.
Stan Spencer
GOOD NEWS!!
I just got an update from Sandra Mitchell a couple of hours ago. Art Seamans picked up a copy of the freshly released Motor Vehicle Use Maps yesterday and after a night of studying them they found the new MVUM’s do not have a winter use map included, so unless something changes, the Great Burn area Travel Plan closure will not be enforceable without the winter use maps being published. Just as an FYI the MVUM’s that were published consist of 68 81/2 X 11 pages. How many trees will that take to distribute them to the public?. I am still cautiously optimistic that by not publishing the winter use maps the FS is leaning to an accommodation for snowmobiling in the current Collaborative Forest Planning process.
Stan Spencer
Not very good news.. They just do what they want. Just another crooked government agency. FU#!IN FOREST CIRCUS..
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Just sent Mr. Tester my letter of disapproval of the" wilderness" land grabs..
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