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If you've never owned a Duramax how can you even say it's any good? Anyone who thinks the Cummins isn't the best diesel in any pickup is kidding themselves or doesn't know anything about diesels :rolleyes: Not going to bash the others, but theres a reason people swap them into Ford and GM's, and why they all want to see the Cummins offered from the factory. And no you cannot get a standard in a new duramax. GM is a light duty truck, between not offering a handshaker and IFS it's made to haul your groceries and that's about it.

your right i've never owned a dmax but i do know people that do and i read alot about all the trucks, but also i never actually said one thing bad about the cummins in this topic, well other than it sounds like a rice burner which the 24v's do. i do like the 12v's though, but ive never been a fan of dodge trucks so nope not for me. the cummins's biggest thing its got going for it is its been around forevor and is used in many applications. the 5.9 was a good engine but no better than any of the rest, maybe during the 90s. they still had there issues just like every other engine out there, for example when the 24v came out they had issues with fuel pumps and such and i havent heard much good about the 6.7, and ya the dmax had its injector issues the first few years but hey atleast gm aknowledged this and extended the warranty to take care of them. as for the pstroke everybody know the 7.3 was pretty much the last of anything good from them. i chose not to buy a diesel because personally i dont see much benifit to them, stock for stock they aint gonna pull anything that i couldnt pull with my 8.1 gasser, and mileage wise i know people are always claiming the 20+mpg crap with the diesels but i know for a fact basically any diesel after 99 wont get much better than 14 mpgs wich is only one or two more than the big block gets, i have friends that drive every breed. so to me its not worth the extra cost for diesel fuel and outrageous prices on parts when something does go wrong. i dont care what people drive i just get sick of the "your trucks a piece of crap cuz its not what i drive" stuff and im sorry to say but around here the worst ones are the little backwards hat wearin saggy pants cummins drivers. oh and i do agree about the IFS on the chevys i think that is one of the biggest downfalls of the gm's. if i was rich i'd love to convert my 8.1 to solid.
 
first off the Fack the 6.7L. and dodge did have a good tranny the NV5700, i just went out and started lil red and with a bad transfer pump she purred like a caffeine fueled kitten. unlike a 6.2L that if the transfer pump goes out you have to pump it up to the pump all the way from the tank.

and i bet your dad could out drink my dad because he's been sober for 26 years

and the main reason i dont like d-max's is because IZUZU put aluminum heads on a cast block, thats just asking for trouble

ya the nv5600 was good but in my earlier post i was leanin more towards the autos.

and for the dmax thing i know they all had there own problems, thats what i was tryin to get at in the long post ^^^^^ up there.

hey, i'll admit them old ford diesels sound bad a**
 
well other than it sounds like a rice burner which the 24v's do. i do like the 12v's though, but ive never been a fan of dodge trucks so nope not for me. the cummins's biggest thing its got going for it is its been around forevor and is used in many applications. the 5.9 was a good engine but no better than any of the rest, maybe during the 90s. they still had there issues just like every other engine out there, for example when the 24v came out they had issues with fuel pumps and such and i havent heard much good about the 6.7, and ya the dmax had its injector issues the first few years but hey atleast gm aknowledged this and extended the warranty to take care of them. as for the pstroke everybody know the 7.3 was pretty much the last of anything good from them. i chose not to buy a diesel because personally i dont see much benifit to them, stock for stock they aint gonna pull anything that i couldnt pull with my 8.1 gasser, and mileage wise i know people are always claiming the 20+mpg crap with the diesels but i know for a fact basically any diesel after 99 wont get much better than 14 mpgs wich is only one or two more than the big block gets, i have friends that drive every breed. so to me its not worth the extra cost for diesel fuel and outrageous prices on parts when something does go wrong. i dont care what people drive i just get sick of the "your trucks a piece of crap cuz its not what i drive" stuff and im sorry to say but around here the worst ones are the little backwards hat wearin saggy pants cummins drivers. oh and i do agree about the IFS on the chevys i think that is one of the biggest downfalls of the gm's. if i was rich i'd love to convert my 8.1 to solid.

the only issues the 5.9L that i have ever came across was either keeping traction or keeping the 35 gallon tank full. we have a 99 24V ram and it consistently gets 23-25 highway at about 60.

the 7.3L PSD was possibly the best diesel motor put into a passenger vehicle. the only motor that it would even have a challenge against is the 12V 5.9L p7100 powered cummins.


on and while your over there touting chevy's. im guessing your going to throw a ford front end into that, its the easiest and most popular swap.

and as for the rice burner comment, im just ignoring it, im going to say that your 8.1 has more of a rice grinder sound to it than a cummins
 
the only issues the 5.9L that i have ever came across was either keeping traction or keeping the 35 gallon tank full. we have a 99 24V ram and it consistently gets 23-25 highway at about 60.

the 7.3L PSD was possibly the best diesel motor put into a passenger vehicle. the only motor that it would even have a challenge against is the 12V 5.9L p7100 powered cummins.


on and while your over there touting chevy's. im guessing your going to throw a ford front end into that, its the easiest and most popular swap.

and as for the rice burner comment, im just ignoring it your 8.1 has more of a rice grinder sound to it than a cummins

i know of quite a few 24v that have had transfer and/or injector pump issues, and havent seen any of my buddies 24v ever hit that high of mileage. i said i like the 12v and if buy some odd chance i ever wanted to buy a cummins that would probably be what id look for.

you fellas were the first ones to start tootin your own horns cuz i was makin a joke. and ya i know the ford front end is the one to swap in, hell the old gm diffs arent even on the proper side. but like i said that aint happening unless i win the lottery, i probably still wouldnt do it cuz you gotta lift the truck like 10"s to do and thats just pointless.

next time your out listen to one of them piped 24v, especially the newer ones like 03 and up then go listen to a riceburner theres quite the resemblance. you gotta be def if you think a big block v8 or basically any v8 sounds anything like the little 4 bangers.
 
i know of quite a few 24v that have had transfer and/or injector pump issues, and havent seen any of my buddies 24v ever hit that high of mileage. i said i like the 12v and if buy some odd chance i ever wanted to buy a cummins that would probably be what id look for.

you fellas were the first ones to start tootin your own horns cuz i was makin a joke. and ya i know the ford front end is the one to swap in, hell the old gm diffs arent even on the proper side. but like i said that aint happening unless i win the lottery, i probably still wouldnt do it cuz you gotta lift the truck like 10"s to do and thats just pointless.

next time your out listen to one of them piped 24v, especially the newer ones like 03 and up then go listen to a riceburner theres quite the resemblance. you gotta be def if you think a big block v8 or basically any v8 sounds anything like the little 4 bangers.

we have replaced one transfer pump with it. well why wouldent it sound like it? its just 2, 4 bangers put together
 
we have replaced one transfer pump with it. well why wouldent it sound like it? its just 2, 4 bangers put together

i dont know, you think if i threw on two of them fart pipes it would sound like two ricers racing?

so are you saying your old ford sounds like a ricer?
 
more than this does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR1jR0-x01s&feature=related

the inline six is gonna sound more like the inline four than the v8 is. hey you like what you like and i'll like what i like, no need for you guys to get your panties all in a bunch cus i was makin a joke last night about the "Cummings's" so ya i'll drop this pointless argument if you will. over and out.:beer;
 
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Back to the subject.......
I hope these car companies do not listen to the media entirely.
The media has relentlessly claiming that nobody wants truck & SUV's anymore.
Well I'm here to tell ya, that is still all that is selling around here.
When gas was over $4, trucks were still moving.

These dolts just don't underphugging get it that we can't do our jobs driving a Yaris!
 
i know of quite a few 24v that have had transfer and/or injector pump issues, and havent seen any of my buddies 24v ever hit that high of mileage. i said i like the 12v and if buy some odd chance i ever wanted to buy a cummins that would probably be what id look for.

you fellas were the first ones to start tootin your own horns cuz i was makin a joke. and ya i know the ford front end is the one to swap in, hell the old gm diffs arent even on the proper side. but like i said that aint happening unless i win the lottery, i probably still wouldnt do it cuz you gotta lift the truck like 10"s to do and thats just pointless.

next time your out listen to one of them piped 24v, especially the newer ones like 03 and up then go listen to a riceburner theres quite the resemblance. you gotta be def if you think a big block v8 or basically any v8 sounds anything like the little 4 bangers.


I've got a 04 Cummins strait piped and it sounds exactly like a diesel should. And it's not like a rice rocket they paid huge money for an exhaust, my truck is 4" pipe from the turbo back, no mufflers to make the noise, just the motor and turbo. All gas jobs sound the same, the only difference is whatever muffler you decide to go with, a 4 banger can sound the same as a v8. I'm sorry to say but you cannot even compare the pulling power of a diesel to a gas, there is no comparison. Anyone loosing a injector pump in the 24v shouldn't own one because they don't know how to maintain it. They had lift pump problems, primarly people running more power threw them, and if the lift pump went it would eventully take the injection pump, but it should never get to that. I'll take my Cummins that can light up a intercection with black smoke over a gas job anyday :D


Trucks are selling good here still, i'd say there is more trucks and suv's around here then cars.
 
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and the main reason i dont like d-max's is because IZUZU put aluminum heads on a cast block, thats just asking for trouble

yeah and 6 head bolts per cyl. vs. ford's 4??? how many 6.0's do you see with blown HG's? how many duramax's? not many. everyone was scared of the alu. heads in 01, hey its 2008 and no issues.

ford bragged about its " all new aluminium heads on the 6.4, but still 4 head bolts per cyl.

face it, nothing wrong with aluminium heads on the dmax, everyone said they'd melt right off the block, humm i can break 1800*F pre turbo EGT's and hey my heads are still sitting right where they have been for 400,000km.

have you ever drove a duramax? my guess is no, your to in love with your 94hp ford.
 
And back on topic, GM spun Allison off and it's now owned by a private equity firm.

My crystal ball - If GM buys Chrysler, it'll sell the truck line to Nissan and there will be no change to the Chevy/GMC line-up.

Not sure why GM would do this deal anyhow - All they'd get is a minivan and those have gone out of fashion.
 
GM buy Chrysler. With what??:confused:

GM does not have a lot of cash but they are a VERY equity rich company. From what I read the agreement said that GM would sell their final 49% share of GMAC Credit/Financing to the group that owns Chrysler and also happens to own the other 51% of GMAC.

With that money they would buy Chrysler. It is more of a swap/trade, but either way GM loses GMAC, and gains Chrysler. I personally don't like the idea, but oh well.
 
yeah and 6 head bolts per cyl. vs. ford's 4??? how many 6.0's do you see with blown HG's? how many duramax's? not many. everyone was scared of the alu. heads in 01, hey its 2008 and no issues.

ford bragged about its " all new aluminium heads on the 6.4, but still 4 head bolts per cyl.

face it, nothing wrong with aluminium heads on the dmax, everyone said they'd melt right off the block, humm i can break 1800*F pre turbo EGT's and hey my heads are still sitting right where they have been for 400,000km.

have you ever drove a duramax? my guess is no, your to in love with your 94hp ford.

i like my ford but i wouldent only drive it. ive drove a few d-max's i worked for a tire/repair shop so ive taken a few for test drives after fixing w/e was wrong with it and/or putting tires and rims on. and my boss had one so id drive it on parts runs and what not there not all that bad id just never own one.

and i dont think your turbo is going to like 1800* for very long.
 
Bottom line...

D-Max is a good engine, Cummins makes a good engine, The Navistar, well the 6.0 was a mistake but I think the 6.4 is better. That being said, the cummins is a medium duty diesel, the dmax and the navistar are light duty, nothing wrong with that, but the cummins has the potential to dance on the graves of the other two. Bottom line.

Oh I almost forgot, I own a 6.2l Detroit in my suburban, it only has 300,000 miles on it, with no issues, new glow plugs, waterpump and starter. If my 06 Cummins is as good to me as one of the worst diesels in history has been, then I am happy as a clam.
 
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I've got a 04 Cummins strait piped and it sounds exactly like a diesel should. And it's not like a rice rocket they paid huge money for an exhaust, my truck is 4" pipe from the turbo back, no mufflers to make the noise, just the motor and turbo. All gas jobs sound the same, the only difference is whatever muffler you decide to go with, a 4 banger can sound the same as a v8.[/B] I'm sorry to say but you cannot even compare the pulling power of a diesel to a gas, there is no comparison. Anyone loosing a injector pump in the 24v shouldn't own one because they don't know how to maintain it. They had lift pump problems, primarly people running more power threw them, and if the lift pump went it would eventully take the injection pump, but it should never get to that. I'll take my Cummins that can light up a intercection with black smoke over a gas job anyday :D


Trucks are selling good here still, i'd say there is more trucks and suv's around here then cars.



Since when!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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