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GM.... after all the Money WE gave them or should I say thru away

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GM auditors raise the specter of Chapter 11
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Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By TOM KRISHER, AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher, Ap Auto Writer – 42 mins ago Play Video Reuters – Opel eyes a future without GM
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AP – General Motors sign is shown at the North American International Auto Show in this Monday, Jan. 12, 2009 … DETROIT – General Motors Corp.'s auditors have raised "substantial doubt" about the troubled automaker's ability to continue operations, and the company said it may have to seek bankruptcy protection if it can't execute a huge restructuring plan.

The automaker revealed the concerns Thursday in an annual report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

"The corporation's recurring losses from operations, stockholders' deficit, and inability to generate sufficient cash flow to meet its obligations and sustain its operations raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern," auditors for the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche LLP wrote in the report.

In pre-market trading, GM shares fell 18 percent from Wednesday's close, to $1.80.

GM has received $13.4 billion in federal loans as it tries to survive the worst auto sales climate in 27 years. It is seeking a total of $30 billion from the government. During the past three years it has piled up $82 billion in losses, including $30.9 billion in 2008.

The company faces a March 31 deadline to have signed agreements of concessions from debtholders and the United Auto Workers union to show the government it can become viable again. On Feb. 17 it submitted the restructuring plan to the Treasury Department that includes laying off 47,000 workers worldwide by the end of the year and closing five more U.S. factories.

GM said in its filing that its future depends on successfully executing the plan.

"If we fail to do so for any reason, we would not be able to continue as a going concern and could potentially be forced to seek relief through a filing under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code," the Detroit-based automaker said in the annual report.

GM, the report said, is highly dependent on auto sales volume, which dropped rapidly last year. "There is no assurance that the global automobile market will recover or that it will not suffer a significant further downturn," the company wrote.

But Harlan Platt, a professor at Northeastern University in Boston who teaches about corporate turnarounds, said the auditors' concerns don't mean GM is headed for a bankruptcy filing. The auditors, he said, are merely stating what the world has known for months.

"A company which has borrowed $13.4 billion and has asked for billions more around the world is obviously in trouble. So this is anticipated," he said.

Platt said the union concessions and debt restructuring laid out in the government loan terms, plus GM's own restructuring steps that include shedding unprofitable brands, will make the company healthy again once auto sales recover from current low levels.

"I think the government has forced the hands of everybody," Platt said. "In 18 months to 24 months, I anticipate they will be profitable, in the black. A mean and lean competitor that will be world-class."

U.S. auto sales in February dropped to the lowest level since December 1981. Last year, automakers sold 13.2 million vehicles in the U.S., about 3 million less than the 16.1 million sold in 2007. Analysts and auto company executives are predicting sales of just over 10 million this year.

GM has said it wants to avoid bankruptcy protection because it would scare off customers. Car buyers, the company has said, would be reluctant to buy from an automaker in Chapter 11 due to fears that it wouldn't be around long enough to honor warranties or make replacement parts.

GM, in its viability plan submitted to the Treasury last month, said it explored three bankruptcy scenarios, all of which would cost the government more than $40 billion.

Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson said at the time that the government would be the only place the company could get financing for a Chapter 11 reorganization, because the credit markets are frozen. The worst-case bankruptcy scenario would cost the government $100 billion, Henderson said, because revenue would severely drop due to a lack of sales.

He said there is not a lot of research about whether people would buy cars from an automaker in bankruptcy protection, but "that which is there suggests that sales fall off a cliff."

GM warned last month that its auditors may raise the "going concern" doubts, and industry analysts said auditors' statements may trigger clauses in some of GM's loans, placing them in default.

But the company said in its filing that it has received waivers of the clauses for its $4.5 billion secured revolving credit facility, a $1.5 billion term loan and a $125 million secured credit facility.

"Consequently, we are not in default of our covenants," the report said. "If we conclude that there is substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern for the year ending Dec. 31, 2009, we will have to seek similar amendments or waivers at that time."

GM spokeswoman Julie Gibson said there is no clause in the terms of the government loans that places them in default if the auditors raise doubts about GM's ability to keep operating.

"That was not a condition of the loan. It's not in the agreement," she said.
 
that long whistling noise you hear is our economy going in the toilet... The loud bang and puff of smoke will be when it is flushed entirely. Keep throwing money at the problem Congress, lord knows we couldn't have those CEO's riding off into the sunset without their golden fricken parachutes.
 
Said it when they first said they were going to give billions to Gm and I will say it again.
LET EM GO BANKRUPT.
It's not our job to hand out money to badly managed companies (or any company for that matter).

If they file bankrupcy they can restructure the company and start over.
Of cource what they means now is the "loan" we gave them will never be paid back, but we knew that going in.
 
Said it when they first said they were going to give billions to Gm and I will say it again.
LET EM GO BANKRUPT.
It's not our job to hand out money to badly managed companies (or any company for that matter).

If they file bankrupcy they can restructure the company and start over.
Of cource what they means now is the "loan" we gave them will never be paid back, but we knew that going in.




The problem the GOV is having with letting them go under is they want to save the UAW:mad:











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SO you all complain about GM getting 20 to 30 billion to save a car company yet AIG had pi$$ed away 150 billion and is getting another 30 billion. This for an insurance company. We all know how important the insurance industry is to the North American economy. Keeping this all in persepective, GM will not go Chapter 11. Consumers won't drive a car built by a company in Chapter 11 but they'll jump on an airplane flown by an airline in chapter 11. Doesn't make a ton of sense.
 
If we want to get back to where it all was before the market collapsed, turn off the damn TV, stop listening to doom and gloom radio hosts who are only spewing the garbage to increase ratings, share and advertising revenue and get back to work. Go out and buy something.

Stuff is slowing down and I am still spending 8 grand or so to take my wife and kids to Disneyland for spring break. Could I blame the down turn, pull the plug on the trip and break my kid's hearts? Sure could but will I? Absolutely not. Is it the "prudent" thing to do? Would Suze whatever her name is tell me to not spend my money and wait it out? It's like when oil hit 160 bucks a barrel. Were we going to all of a sudden stop hauling our trailers to the lake? Were we not going to go on vacations anymore? Were we all selling our boats and cabins and RV's? Let the stupid banks that started all this mess take the hit.
 
Let them go bankrupt! That will end any union obligations and all the pork retirement that the UAW workers are getting paid upon retirement. The unions are the ones who broke the automakers and alot of other companies in this country. All they want is more more more. Even when everything around them is going in the crapper.
 
SO you all complain about GM getting 20 to 30 billion to save a car company yet AIG had pi$$ed away 150 billion and is getting another 30 billion. This for an insurance company. We all know how important the insurance industry is to the North American economy. Keeping this all in persepective, GM will not go Chapter 11. Consumers won't drive a car built by a company in Chapter 11 but they'll jump on an airplane flown by an airline in chapter 11. Doesn't make a ton of sense.

No, I think AIG should have gone into bankrupcy also.
It isn't the governments job to bail people or companies out.

My spending habits haven't change one bit.
Cource, I have always believed in living BELOW your means.
Allows ya to take a financial hit and not worry too much about it.
 
Big difference between "goin under" and restructure. GM absolutely needs to have the ability to make some majory changes and that will only happen with a restructure bankruptcy.
 
Let them go bankrupt! That will end any union obligations and all the pork retirement that the UAW workers are getting paid upon retirement. The unions are the ones who broke the automakers and alot of other companies in this country. All they want is more more more. Even when everything around them is going in the crapper.

i agree, let them file, then they can renegotiate with the union and start over with a better deal. if the union wont negotiate there are millions out of work right now and a lot of them are willing to relocate
 
No, I think AIG should have gone into bankrupcy also.

Do you know what AIG does, and how they got into this issue of the housing market? What do you think would happen if they failed?

I think what most are worried are that if GM were to go into chapter 11, it wouldn't matter, because no one would ever buy again, they would collapse....
 
Do you know what AIG does, and how they got into this issue of the housing market? What do you think would happen if they failed?

I think what most are worried are that if GM were to go into chapter 11, it wouldn't matter, because no one would ever buy again, they would collapse....

I think it would have cost a heck of a lot less than 160 BILLION to recover from it.

Ya mean like when the airlines filed bankrupcy?
Oh wait, they recovered.
 
Do you know what AIG does, and how they got into this issue of the housing market? What do you think would happen if they failed?

I think what most are worried are that if GM were to go into chapter 11, it wouldn't matter, because no one would ever buy again, they would collapse....

if thay are to big to fail thay are to big to live
 
Why, cause you said so? What else would go down if AIG went down?

Let em all go down. What we need are some very hard times to get this country back on the right path. That path is following the constitution...something our present government doesn't seem to know much about.
 
Why, cause you said so? What else would go down if AIG went down?
heard this the other night and it made some sense to me! AIG is the insurance company to the banks. the banks made bad loans to people. SOOOOO, the banks are getting money to cover all the bad loans, but AIG is also getting money to cover the insurance for all the bad loans, sooooo, does that mean the gov't is paying for the same bad loans TWICE??????????????? why not just pay for bad loans themselves(which i'm not in favor of doing period--no money for failing companies) and it would save the gov't(read people) and BUNCH of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The money wasn't exactly given to them, remember it was a loan. But spin however you want it I guess.
 
I say let go down too. If I manage my finances badly, i go bankrupt and nobody helps me. So why should the american taxpayer bailout everyone. F*ck them, F*ck them all. Nobody is too big to fail
 
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