Federal judge Molloy is a MORON!!!!!!!!!!

[mtn_extreme]

"Its okay to be upset, but to be a little on the extreme side can do alot of harm for the cause."


Well stated!

Also needs to be pointed out is that the extreme attitude being displayed here (such as the title for example) reflects on all of us as sportsmen and doesn't portray a very good image............not to mention that it gives the pro-wolfers fuel to use against us.

A little more tact will get you alot farther and will reflect on the sportsmen alot better my friend, please curb your temper and voice your opinions accordingly on this public forum.

I personally thank you for correcting my sportsman's image.

MX

 

[alrevedup]

Extremist? Actually if YOU WOULD STUDY THE SITUATION like I said early you would realize that we are the mainstreem in the states in question not even close to having an extremist mentality. I don't know one person from any of the states that the wolves were introduced into that is for it. You should see the number of stickers on trucks in these areas that realate to killing wolves ( save 100 elk kill a wolf, support your ranchers kill a wolf, shoot shovel and shut up I could go on) The point is, and I made this same point in another thread this spring. Some tree huggers that wanted wolves here got really selfish and didn't take into account all the negative effects it would have on the areas and the people. What do they care? They live back east or their pockets are getting lined by the greenies. These are the effects wolves have had since they put them in. 1st the local wolve species has been pushed out and destroyed by a species that is nearly double the size ( makes sense destroy what nature was already doing) 2nd Our game heards from the last count I saw are 1/3 of what they were prior to it. So that means alot of guides, tourist money from out of state hunters, and local tags are gone becuase the opportunity isn't there anymore. 3rd the effect on ranchers, Its been a bit since I have studied any current data on this but the last number I saw was reporting 25% mortality rate increase on calves in the areas with the highest populations.
The positive...................................................... Some guy can see a wolf slaughter some elk in Yellowstone ( which IMO is as far from a natural park as you can get).
Great trade off eh?

So again read up and get some perspective and knowledge on a situation before you comment. The only thing it will do is make you more knowledgable about something ( honestly who wouldn't want that?)

I also believe that manipulation and bribery are a crime as well when having such a role in politics and the government are you a fool to believe that Molloy wasnt critisized or bull horned or even bribed to do what he did? Thats just politics bru

Money makes the wolf situation go round and round, been happening for many years. Best thing you can do is keep it simple stupid, dont even read the news paper or read the headlines, all news is bad news anyways

Good luck to all of you!!! Not interested in a pissing match.

"have fun storming the castle"!!!!!

To each there own. Wolves, sage grouse, high mountain prairie dogs.

The content of what you are saying is interesting and compelling. When you wave your pitch forks and torches it makes the whole thing look like rhetoric.

It is not what you say but how you say it. Words to live by!!!

 

[mtn_extreme]

This is not a battle about the wolf. Wolves were already here. Heck I have pictures of wolves I took in Idaho in the late 70's. The whole re-introduction plan was the start of a long range goal to get rid of hunting. When the ungulate populations are depleted by wolves to the point of endangered species, they will be listed as such. At that time the food source for wolves will be so reduced that the wolf population will again decrease to endangered species levels and ...........wella, no hunting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bubba700]

Good luck to all of you!!! Not interested in a pissing match.

"have fun storming the castle"!!!!!

To each there own. Wolves, sage grouse, high mountain prairie dogs.

The content of what you are saying is interesting and compelling. When you wave your pitch forks and torches it makes the whole thing look like rhetoric.

It is not what you say but how you say it. Words to live by!!!

All Im telling you is get the facts and get an Educated opinion, its pretty obvious that you have no clue about this subject.
Could the titile have been a bit more tactfull? Probably, last I checked this is the US where we have freedom of speech and can state things the way we want. Sitting down and being complacent when it is obvious that something is going wrong is how we loose rights in this country.It is pretty obvious something is wrong here when the Head scientist says we should delist them yet a judge who has no solid ground for a judgment rules against the data. This would be like going to a doc him dignosing the problem and you telling him he is wrong and he dosen't know what he is talking about.
Anyone who lived in ID for very long and was an avid sportsmen in the 80 could tell you that we had wolves. There was no need to try and re-introduce them. They were coming back on their own.

 

[duffman]

Even more bad news, they officially found wolves in the Northwest corner of Okanagon county, washington. Not enough SSS going on around here.

 

[bullfrog123]

Hey rev, when these things make it to Co, (and they will without some control), then you will know where our opinions are coming from!!!!!! These dogs are creating havoc on a level even my local F&G officer admits too. And as Bubba stated,(VERY good BTW!!!!), facts are facts, plain and simple. The media and enviro's don't understand how bad the situation really is.

Yes my title maybe a little harsh, but a judge who is pressured by groups of idiots should not make a descision without taking in the whole picture. And yes I am an avid hunter and my freezer has shown the effects over the last few yrs.

I invite all treehuggers to spend 2 weeks in a Wall tent in the woods and then tell me we need more grizzly's, wolves, etc. And take into acount how many deer, elk, moose, etc. that you can document in that time vs what we had 5-10 yrs ago. The #'s DON'T LIE.

 

[bullfrog123]

On another note alrevedup..... we are NOT extremists, we are "Passionate" about our land, wildlife, livestock, hunting, fishing, wilderness, etc. and we want that protected as much as the rest of the great outdoors. All animals have a place in this world............ too a limit. Balance is the key here. And the huggers don't understand what real balance is between human and animal.

 

[Nate]

To each there own. Wolves, sage grouse, high mountain prairie dogs.

awww the sage grouse see literally hundreds of them everyday. Just like the cotton tail rabbit, there population fluctuates, according to pretty much every species of animal. Term also known as exponential growth. Will happen to the Chinese. Happens more so to animals very low on the food chain

High mountain prairie dogs? You must be referring to the Gunnison style of prairie dog?

Wolves? if you didnt know, wolves are more so on the top of the food chain than pretty much any other animal. If they were not controlled, your kids couldnt wander off alone without gettin run down by a pack of wolves, wolves DO NEED MICRO MANAGED, have you ever seen packs of wolves in action? I have, ive seen more than my fair share, I dont go out of my house without packing a weapon, I dont leave my wall tent without a sidearm, if you have not seen them in action personally, then you shouldnt comment on the managing of Wolves IMO

Everything needs managed, sometimes it manages itself, its a rebuilding process.

The title of this thread is bogus, gives us a bad name. I am not going to lynch anyone because they played the game of politics. Money will win everytime, just sit outside the box and smile, honestly, nobody really ever has control of the "wolf problem"

 

[ruffryder]

we are NOT extremists, we are "Passionate"

The difference between the words depends upon if you are inside the group it is called passionate, while those outside the group see it as extremism. Same could be said for environmentalists, Muslims, snowmobilers, and white chocolate macadamia nut cookie eaters. (I am in the last two. ) It is just a semantics game to either bring up or put down a specific group of people. Just more emotional fog to confuse the subject.

 

[Bubba700]

Ruffy, bout time you chimed in, been wondering how long it would take you,
The point you guys that aren't from the area don't get is the anti-wolf attitude is not an "extremest" atittude for the MAIN STREAM population in these states. Extreme indicates to one end or the other end of the opinion on the subject. When the fact is the main stream public in these areas are very much anti wolf. While studying this topic, one question has always stuck in my mind. In this democratic country that we live in why were the people, the people from ID MT and WY who the wolves would effect the most, never given the opportunity to vote if we wanted them here? It affects US the most, it changes OUR lively hoods and affects OUR economys yet we were/still are disreguarded when the desicisions on the wolves were/are made.
People, if you had to worry about your dog/cat going out side to do its duty maybe you would see where a few of us are coming from, in frogs neck of the woods a ladys dog was torn appart in her back yard. Find out the facts on the subject and look at the people that have to deal with this issue on a day to day basis and then maybe you can start to understand where the passion comes from.

 

[ruffryder]

Ruffy, bout time you chimed in, been wondering how long it would take you,
And Ruffy and Reved if you had to worry about your dog/cat going out side to do its duty maybe you would see where a few of us are coming from, in frogs neck of the woods a ladys dog was torn appart in her back yard.

I didn't think I made any statements as to where my point of view on the subject was. Or has my label as a liberal commie gotten the better of me? Quite a reputation it appears I am getting, and being judged upon. Don't worry, I can take it.

Just stating the difference between being an extremist about something, and being passionate about something. It mostly depends upon which side of the discussion you are on.

 

[bullfrog123]

OK fellas, when are scared to go to town to get groceries, gas, beer, etc. and all you can think about is..... are my horses, dogs, cattle, etc going to be safe for while I'm gone? That notion should NOT even be in our heads, but, this is what it has come to. I now have more guns Outside my gun cabinet than inside it, (yes not safe for kids), but I have to be ready to protect my horses, dogs, children, wife, AND ME. The huggers and such threw these dogs in our yard and then walked away, thus telling us to "deal with it", how would they like 6 grizzly's, or a pack of wolves, launched in Central Park? Wouldn't fly out there, but they think the west is still WIDE OPEN country, they have NO clue what OUR lives are about or what it takes to survive outside the city limits.

 

[mtn_extreme]

So you guys that are "passionate" about the situation, are you doing anything more that sitting on this public forum and venting your angers while at the same time giving the greenies fuel to take to the judge as exibits of the slaughter that will supposedly take place, or are you helping where it really counts? If not, would you like to as I can show you how.

MX

 

[mtn_extreme]

Just for the record, are you all just as passionate about the plans by the state game and fish departments to hunt grizzlies? You know, the one that had to lawsuits filed against it in march of this year which halted the feds taking the griz off the endangered species list?

Just curious......

 

[Bubba700]

So you guys that are "passionate" about the situation, are you doing anything more that sitting on this public forum and venting your angers while at the same time giving the greenies fuel to take to the judge as exibits of the slaughter that will supposedly take place, or are you helping where it really counts? If not, would you like to as I can show you how.
MX

Do share. Any more info than I have. I called my reps, and attend F@G meetings when I can.
Grizzlies? Haven't put as much time into this topic. But I would like info on it.

 

[alrevedup]

awww the sage grouse see literally hundreds of them everyday. Just like the cotton tail rabbit, there population fluctuates, according to pretty much every species of animal. Term also known as exponential growth. Will happen to the Chinese. Happens more so to animals very low on the food chain

High mountain prairie dogs? You must be referring to the Gunnison style of prairie dog?

Wolves? if you didnt know, wolves are more so on the top of the food chain than pretty much any other animal. If they were not controlled, your kids couldnt wander off alone without gettin run down by a pack of wolves, wolves DO NEED MICRO MANAGED, have you ever seen packs of wolves in action? I have, ive seen more than my fair share, I dont go out of my house without packing a weapon, I dont leave my wall tent without a sidearm, if you have not seen them in action personally, then you shouldnt comment on the managing of Wolves IMO

Everything needs managed, sometimes it manages itself, its a rebuilding process.

The title of this thread is bogus, gives us a bad name. I am not going to lynch anyone because they played the game of politics. Money will win everytime, just sit outside the box and smile, honestly, nobody really ever has control of the "wolf problem"

OK fellas, when are scared to go to town to get groceries, gas, beer, etc. and all you can think about is..... are my horses, dogs, cattle, etc going to be safe for while I'm gone? That notion should NOT even be in our heads, but, this is what it has come to. I now have more guns Outside my gun cabinet than inside it, (yes not safe for kids), but I have to be ready to protect my horses, dogs, children, wife, AND ME. The huggers and such threw these dogs in our yard and then walked away, thus telling us to "deal with it", how would they like 6 grizzly's, or a pack of wolves, launched in Central Park? Wouldn't fly out there, but they think the west is still WIDE OPEN country, they have NO clue what OUR lives are about or what it takes to survive outside the city limits.

On another note alrevedup..... we are NOT extremists, we are "Passionate" about our land, wildlife, livestock, hunting, fishing, wilderness, etc. and we want that protected as much as the rest of the great outdoors. All animals have a place in this world............ too a limit. Balance is the key here. And the huggers don't understand what real balance is between human and animal.

As I read more, I am beginning to see your points and frustration.

I can understand protecting family and what is yours.

A pack of wild sage grouse may not be as worrisome as a pack of wolves

 

[Idaho Ice]

Maybe the title should have read SAVE AN ELK SHOOT A LIBERAL??

Just another way the Feds make close minded decisions "for the people" without listening to the facts or to the people. I live/hunt in Idaho I consider myself a sportsman and wouldnt have a problem with wolves if they didnt wipe out entire elk herds and not even eat what they kill, they kill livestock and family pets and soon it will be children. A pack of wolves isnt scared of humans as one would think. As far as I know the Canadian wolf is not native to Idaho, the native wolf was the Timberwolf, which has been irradicated by the Canadian wolf. Why havent the libs thrown a fit about that? Would that show there were holes in the plan of Introduction of the Canadian wolf?? There wasnt a good plan for the INtroduction and now they need to be controlled and if there isnt a legal means of doing this, well then it will be done illegally.

 

[Snorider]

Maybe the title should have read SAVE AN ELK SHOOT A LIBERAL??

Just another way the Feds make close minded decisions "for the people" without listening to the facts or to the people. I live/hunt in Idaho I consider myself a sportsman and wouldnt have a problem with wolves if they didnt wipe out entire elk herds and not even eat what they kill, they kill livestock and family pets and soon it will be children. A pack of wolves isnt scared of humans as one would think. As far as I know the Canadian wolf is not native to Idaho, the native wolf was the Timberwolf, which has been irradicated by the Canadian wolf. Why havent the libs thrown a fit about that? Would that show there were holes in the plan of Introduction of the Canadian wolf?? There wasnt a good plan for the INtroduction and now they need to be controlled and if there isnt a legal means of doing this, well then it will be done illegally.

People fail to look at the difference between the canadian wolf and the timberwolf though. Just look at the pics of them side by side you can easily tell why the canadian wolf is thriving so well down here. Every wolf I see is endanger of taking it's last breath.

Especially now that we got the blood work back on the first wolf back in the area. My neighbor hit it in his car, totalled the car but he was happy to contribute. Now it makes you grab the firearm more often when going out to fix fence or fetch strays.

Maybe we should have a pack let loose around the outskirts seattle or a completely lib place and see how pretty and natural they are. I would hate to see kids get hurt but everyone seems to think just as long as it's not my back yard.

 

[ericbigbore]

I agree we should kill any wolf we see to protect our familys, pets and protect the herds so we can pass hunting down to our children but saying a judge should be shot is just plain crazy. Good luck, I hope you don't pay for those words.

 

[bullfrog123]

I didn't mean it literally, I just said that in the heat of the moment, when reading about what Molloy had done.

If it would make everyone happy maybe the mods can change it for me. Maybe along the lines of Molloy is a fluckin moron, or Molloy needs to stand on his OWN feet, etc. Sorry for coming across to some the wrong way.