I just think the paranoia is hilarious. I see you here commenting too. LOL
What kind of retard runs ethanol in the non ethanol setting?
Still waiting to hear about these blown up motors.... Oh wait, you mean that never actually happens?
Ethanol in your Axys
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I just think the paranoia is hilarious. I see you here commenting too. LOL
What kind of retard runs ethanol in the non ethanol setting?
Still waiting to hear about these blown up motors.... Oh wait, you mean that never actually happens?
You did say "Can't think of a single failure even remotely related to ethanol."
I would say forgetting to change your ecu mode after switching between fuels and getting knock would be considered a remote possibility of ethanol causing engine failure. I'm sure there are lots of "retards" (as you say) out there that have made that mistake.
Also, I never said ethanol WILL cause engine failure. After paying for a brand new sled I want the most power I can so I run non eth.
I would say forgetting to change your ecu mode after switching between fuels and getting knock would be considered a remote possibility of ethanol causing engine failure. I'm sure there are lots of "retards" (as you say) out there that have made that mistake.
Also, I never said ethanol WILL cause engine failure. After paying for a brand new sled I want the most power I can so I run non eth.
If a motor knocks because of bad fuel or an excess of ethanol fuel (water binding) then a motor can certainly fail. You obviously haven't been around the powersports world long if you just take fuel from the pump at the local convenience store as always being "safe".
It's also obvious that you know little about the ethanol setting on the sled. It enriches the mixture. At higher altitudes it's not necessary because the sled ECU is already enriching the mixture.
Good job on taking a good friendly topic and making it ugly.
Thought all trucks only burn oil. Over 100k on mine, can still can't find the spark plugs.
Poo's ethanol setting on non-ho's increase fuel delivery by 5%. The old maps ran abit rich at lower air density, which is why you could run ethanol fuel without changing the map at high altitude. Dunno with the HO.
Fresh ethanol can be managed, but it does nothing good for fuel systems, and you're gambling with degraded fuel. There are very real reasons all small engine OEMs are freaking out about E15. And refiners can't pipe it, and wait to blend it as late as possible in the distribution chain. FWIW, the ethanol you get at the pump is anywhere between E5 and E15.
Poo's ethanol setting on non-ho's increase fuel delivery by 5%. The old maps ran abit rich at lower air density, which is why you could run ethanol fuel without changing the map at high altitude. Dunno with the HO.
Fresh ethanol can be managed, but it does nothing good for fuel systems, and you're gambling with degraded fuel. There are very real reasons all small engine OEMs are freaking out about E15. And refiners can't pipe it, and wait to blend it as late as possible in the distribution chain. FWIW, the ethanol you get at the pump is anywhere between E5 and E15.
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snowmobiler
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if ya cant find any ethanol,you can try 10% canned creamed corn.
With all it's bad properties, why would anyone in the world want to run ethanol. I have an ATV that that the carb was destroyed by ethanol. This fall the carbs on my guest sled were totally plugged, it ran fine last spring. If I have to burn the stuff in my Suburban I see my mileage drop by at least 2 miles per gallon and the power sucks.
But I realize that people raise corn for a living and they gotta eat too. I just think that ethanol blended gasoline is a scam that costs us every time we turn around. It's non ethanol gas for me and my mind will not be changed too many hidden problems.
But I realize that people raise corn for a living and they gotta eat too. I just think that ethanol blended gasoline is a scam that costs us every time we turn around. It's non ethanol gas for me and my mind will not be changed too many hidden problems.
???? On the carburetor equipped sleds jet size is decreased for higher altitudes thus keeping the air/fuel ratio closer to optimum. I doubt the fuel injected sleds increase fuel at higher altitudes.
Reg2view said it best...Poo's ethanol setting on non-ho's increase fuel delivery by 5%. The old maps ran abit rich at lower air density, which is why you could run ethanol fuel without changing the map at high altitude. Dunno with the HO.
I agree, but here in Colorado there is no non-ethanol at the pump. You have to buy it from distributors. There are stories of some non-ethanol pumps here and there but they are getting hard to find.
Posted elsewhere around here - list of ethanol-free stations in the US/CA. Select your state/prov. Last Updated provides some insight into how current the information is.
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CO
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CO
Ethanol
The only time I detonated a piston in my mod sled was the one time I used gasoline with ethanol. Rebuilt it and no problems with non ethanol.
I won't run ethanol in my stock sled either.
The only time I detonated a piston in my mod sled was the one time I used gasoline with ethanol. Rebuilt it and no problems with non ethanol.
I won't run ethanol in my stock sled either.
I have to drive 30 miles to Montrose. There is a station by the airport that has a non eth 91 pump. Problem is, it is a full dollar a gallon more and I do not think enough people use it for the fuel to be fresh. The only time my '14 Pro hit the det sensor was on fuel from this pump. I went back to the local eth 91 pump at a very busy station and have no issues.
The owners manual states that the sled can run 87 octane. If it can protect itself from that, why would you think it can't tolerate eth 91?
Yes, supposedly more power on non eth. I couldn't tell any difference at 10,000 feet plus. It probably doesn't have enough stock compression to need the 91 at this altitude. My old M7 ran the best on 85, our regular grade. We had three of them that liked the lower grade.
Well I picked up my steel for an aux tank which will house non ethanol..
Contrary to some of the input in this thread (no offense to those who think I'm crazy), I am just going to run a vented cap and a water separator on the outlet....
My tank will be 5'x3' and contain 112 gallons of fuel. I will have two baffles inside the tank to prevent sloshing and have it bolted on the inside of the v of the trailer both to the floor and to the wall of the trailer for stabilization. I will be running just a standard hand pump on the tank to fuel sleds with
The addition of the tank will make it much more convenient to fuel with non ethanol since I decided to go that way
Contrary to some of the input in this thread (no offense to those who think I'm crazy), I am just going to run a vented cap and a water separator on the outlet....
My tank will be 5'x3' and contain 112 gallons of fuel. I will have two baffles inside the tank to prevent sloshing and have it bolted on the inside of the v of the trailer both to the floor and to the wall of the trailer for stabilization. I will be running just a standard hand pump on the tank to fuel sleds with
The addition of the tank will make it much more convenient to fuel with non ethanol since I decided to go that way
U should NOT vent a fuel tank inside of ur trailer!!!!
U do realize that liquid gasoline is not flammable, right? It's the vapors, ur trailer will be full of flammable vapors!
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Wow really? So how come we can keep vented sled tanks in the trailer?
To completely different types of ventilation and ur talking 112gallon tank.
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Honestly. Not worried about it
If it makes it smell like gas too bad I'll put a full cap on it
When full, that's a +1,000 lbs of tongue weight you're adding that will be hard to compensate for behind the axles, since the nose is typically the farthest from the axles. Don't know the rig, can't imagine it being a goose, and if you're running stab bars. Just an observation.
I'm sure the point about vapors wasn't the odor, it was the potential for a detonation on the scale of a Transformer's movie. Vapor is released primarily when filling a tank, not temp or altitude changes. When you fill a sled's tank in an enclosed trailer, it's obvious even with a door open. FWIW.
Now I gotta see how they engineer these fueling stations into sled trailers. Wonder if they run a ground strap, too. Anyone know how insurance would cover an incident? Sorry for hijacking, a new thread in trucks in trailers is required. Or maybe an ethanol forum, that might be fun. Good luck.
I'm sure the point about vapors wasn't the odor, it was the potential for a detonation on the scale of a Transformer's movie. Vapor is released primarily when filling a tank, not temp or altitude changes. When you fill a sled's tank in an enclosed trailer, it's obvious even with a door open. FWIW.
Now I gotta see how they engineer these fueling stations into sled trailers. Wonder if they run a ground strap, too. Anyone know how insurance would cover an incident? Sorry for hijacking, a new thread in trucks in trailers is required. Or maybe an ethanol forum, that might be fun. Good luck.
I know what he was getting at but the smell would be much more of a problem long before the concentration on gas vapors got to the point where it could become explosive.
I have attached a free body diagram of the trailer loaded with two sleds backwards. I assumed distances and weights of the skis and the resultant of the track as the first two loads. The weight of gasoline is 42.5 lbs/ft^3 which is a weight of 637.5 lbs, plus the weight of the steel in the tank is 132.8 lbs (calcs not shown), plus a little extra for the pump I called the resultant 800 lbs and applied where shown in the FBD. The two axle loads are shown as R1 and R2 and the weight on the hitch is shown as R3. The dimensions of the trailer are what I measured, so they are not assumptions.
For the basis of simplicity I assumed the the axle loads where equal and acting in the center of the two axles. I assumed they acting together to make it a determinant structure.
With this assumption you can sum moments about the center of reaction "R1,2" and determine the reaction of R3 to be 321.13 lbs. Using that information you can sum up forces in the "Y" direction and determine that reaction "R1,2" is 1178.9 lbs or 589.45 lbs per axle. This is not unbalanced. Actually witht he sled backwards, the trailer becomes more balanced with the tank than without.
I appreciate the concerns, I really do and I'm not being a smarta$$. I'm taking this opportunity as an engineer to bring to light the fact that many times problems are blown WAY out of proportion on the internet and it seems to be more contagious on sledding forums.
The ventilation is honestly my biggest concern. I don't want to vent it outside because that would require me to cut a hole in the trailer which I really don't want to do unless I have to. Any Ideas are welcome but for now I plan to just use the vented cap and a water separator and see how it goes. If the vapors, "smell", becomes a concern I will explore other avenues such as venting to the outside or having a solid cap that is just cracked and relieved from time to time
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snowmobiler
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i wouldnt put a gas tank inside my trailer
