Does such a turbo sled exist? Add fuel and go?

[mmsports]

nope you missed it.

Just because you have extra injectors don't mean you have to run high boost. I just find its a lot better to have extra injectors.

I'm not interested in hauling race gas with me, it has to run on pump fuel that I can get anywhere I go.

What turbo system and EFI units are you selling/installing?

 

[Blk88GT]

I don't disagree at all.

Are your turbo setups secret?

 

[backcountryislife]

Just because you have extra injectors don't mean you have to run high boost. I just find its a lot better to have extra injectors.

Myself I very much prefer the cutler way of doing it, running 2 injectors, but more fuel from the pump. OVS will also set you up this way if you want.

If I can hit 15 psi on 2 injectors... no need to run 4 imo. I feel that around 13-14 or so you get to a point where it's more power than you can use! (blasphemy, I know!!!)

I only know one person with a 4 injector sled that runs "smooth" like ours... and he's a tech.


BLK88... just because you've got a "race gas" kit doesn't mean you need to run race gas. That's a big misunderstanding about turbos.

You can get a kit that CAN run big boost, but you can also run that same kit at 7 psi no problem.

Most of us "race gas" guys aren't running race gas straight, we run a mix. If you wanted to run, for example, 12 psi, you could bring 15 gal of 114 out west for your vacation, and you've got more than enough. If you run out... run pump gas & turn it down a bit, which takes all of about 15 seconds. no big deal.

What the RG kit will allow you to do though is run higher boost for the fuel you have as you have the fuel to wash away det when you're on the edge, so it's also "safer" at that given boost level.
IMO, don't get a PG kit, waste of money. The sleds wake up HUGELY at 9-11 psi, even 10 makes 7 or 8 look stupid.

If I were you I'd make a point of taking your next trip & seeing if there's some folks on here who could meet up with you & show you some different examples of what the levels feel like.

I know if you came to CO for a weekend I could get you on at least 4 different setups... which would give you a feel for what works FOR YOU.

Btw... install might not seem complex, but EVERY person I know with issues installed it themselves. Install is HUGE. I can't take credit for how well my sled runs, that goes to cutler... he made it so I don't have to deal with anything, I can't say that for the self installed sleds I know of.

 

[Blk88GT]

I'd love to try out a few different turbo sleds, but I've still never had the opportunity to even try one, nevermind a few of them!

 

[backcountryislife]

I'd love to try out a few different turbo sleds, but I've still never had the opportunity to even try one, nevermind a few of them!

Ask around on here... I'm sure there's some people that ride where you do. Most folks are pretty cool with letting someone take a ride... as long as it comes back in the same condition!!!


Wish you were closer... we've got a veritable smorgasbord of turbo choices in the crews I ride with!!!

 

[mmsports]

My info

Sorry for such short answers but I was on my phone.

They all work good. A kit is a kit. Its the set up and how you ride that matters. I find that for my riding style I have to make modifications to most all but not major.

There is a lot that like to do their install witch is fine but when it comes to the fine tuning does not always work out the best.

 

[bradburck]

The race gas misnomer is a huge one. Most run a bit of race fuel for a variety of reasons. I run 2ish gallons to just help prevent or overcome poor pump fuel on the chance I ever get any. 8$ more per tank.. Lots over octane as well, hurts performance.

For me.. The two injector kit has been enough. I can be conservative around 10 lbs and be pretty easy duty cycle (90-93). You have got to ride one... This is just me but I could never go back. It does change your style a bit and as Caleb said you've got to learn to ride around the small spots that aren't tuned perfectly, but otherwise it is all it is cracked up to be.

For my kit it's not a pull your arms odd bottom end, but being that I'm hardly ever between 3500-4500 rpm it really doesn't matter to me. I know everyone complains about the boggy bottom end, but in deep snow, either trees or climbs, I'm never using the bottom end, the turbo is always spooled anyways. As stated above the power at elevation is the big draw here. Where a stock sled is only making 100-110 horse my sled is making 180-200 horse. It's a huge difference. Not as much in the trees, but on a technical climb in the trees or more open slopes and it's game over. What I blow over Skiis in the air, stock sleds are sidehilling or not making it at all, turbo just keeps pulling!

Get a properly set up kit, do the standard maintainence and ride the crap out of it. Even a conservative turbo at elevation is just a monster. Make it to rabbit ears or wolf creek and you can ride a boonie m8 or a silver pro in my group. Enjoy!!

 

[insomniac62]

VOHK

But I get limited ride time compared to you westerners, and don't want to spend my time tuning when I could be riding.

What's interesting is we have some guys saying you absolutely have to tune, and some saying you don't depending on the turbo system and efi controller used.

What turbo systems and efi boxes are you guys whos are constantly tuning, running?

Im in the same boat as you...

I travel a MINIMUM of 12 hours west to destinations to ride. The LAST thing I want to do is to sit around and tune..test...tune....test....tune....

I took the time (And money) to go to Alpine Motor Sports in Kremmling, CO.
Sled was built / Tuned my Erik Woog (aka VOHK - www.vohk.com)

Pull and go....
2011 m8 PG Boondocker Turbo

Couldn't be happier with the results!!!

 

[opel]

Im in the same boat as you...

I travel a MINIMUM of 12 hours west to destinations to ride. The LAST thing I want to do is to sit around and tune..test...tune....test....tune....

I took the time (And money) to go to Alpine Motor Sports in Kremmling, CO.
Sled was built / Tuned my Erik Woog (aka VOHK - www.vohk.com)

Pull and go....
2011 m8 PG Boondocker Turbo

Couldn't be happier with the results!!!

Same here 2011 M8 RG Boondocker installed and tuned by MTN Valley and IS pull and go.Never touch anything.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

How do you tune with the attitude box? That one uses colored lights or something, doesn't it?

Did anything ever come of Precision EFI and their standalone engine management stuff?

hi there!
i first want to let you know we have more than 100 polaris standalone ecu out there and they are doing a great job so far! some installed on turbo sleds(most),some on ported cylinders,pipes,big bore kits ect... all the complaints you are reading about on forums are e.f.i. related at 85% of the time. You cannot have a oem feeling on and off throttle or cruising without being able to adjust timing, injectors duty cycle, barometric compensation, air intake compensation. pre crank enrichment, cranking enrichment,post start enrichment ect.. on a turbo sled . the fact that we are capable of live datalogging any of the sensors and switches on the sled with our ecu make it simple to detect any bad running sled. Also, we have an autotune function and also a "mixture map'' function doing the requiered changes for you....realy simple, but it takes a few hours to learn all that....i guess way less time then driving 12 hours back to your place because of a bad running sled.
we are currently working on the 800 arctic cat and will release the plugin standalone ECU shortly for this motor.Also we are working on yamaha nytro, arctic cat 1100 t , skidoo etec and ace engines, all to be realesed before next season.
if you want a true pull and go setup, then stop sledding because there aren't any!! BUT if you are looking for some proven design turbo setup i think the cutler kit is a well put together kit.....

 

[snowmanx]

I've had absolutely NO luck with my TM1000.
One issue after another.

 

[killerrf]

i had a chance this year to ride a few different sleds. on a m8 with 12 psi boost and m1000 with 9 psi. if i went the m8 route i would definitely run minimum 10 and up psi. any lower and i think a well running modded 1000 will keep with it. but once you hit that 12 psi and up m8 pulls nicely.

as for the m1000 at 9 psi. that thing is retarded. they say the 1000 is more finicky but even at 9 psi its nuts. couldnt imagine running it at 12 or higher boost. for the 1000 i think i would go the twisted turbo route. seems to be many more happier people with the 1000 turbo.

 

[dogtownbutcher]

i had a chance this year to ride a few different sleds. on a m8 with 12 psi boost and m1000 with 9 psi. if i went the m8 route i would definitely run minimum 10 and up psi. any lower and i think a well running modded 1000 will keep with it. but once you hit that 12 psi and up m8 pulls nicely.

as for the m1000 at 9 psi. that thing is retarded. they say the 1000 is more finicky but even at 9 psi its nuts. couldnt imagine running it at 12 or higher boost. for the 1000 i think i would go the twisted turbo route. seems to be many more happier people with the 1000 turbo.

Running my TM1000 at about 8 lbs, and all my buddies are like , you're gonna want more power next year... I'm with you, that thing is flat out ridiculous...(to me) I've been happy with my boondocker set up, never been around a twisted set up, but i'm sure they run good to..boost is like sex when your 18, you just can't get enough!!

 

[supra_power2]

another happy 2 seasons on my BD RG 800 pull and go, 8-10lbs runs like a top.

not sure y everyone rags on bd so bad i know of at least 4 other BD sleds that have been working fine.

it comes down to quality of install

 

[257 stw]

On my way home from Alpine as we speak. 4 more days of pull the rope and go on my RG Twisted M1000 at 12 lbs. Couldn't be happier! Makes my full mod M1k feel like a 600

 

[hcrider]

pull and go

2011 cutler stage II. all i can say is wow!!. sled flat rips. new to sled have three rides on it and no tinkering neccesary, pull and go as promised.

 

[kcdavidak]

bd ada ebc system rocks

pull and go ,tune it set it forget it.ride 12psi at home at 2000 ft traveled to mcall id 6-7500ft adjusted boost to 12 cause i don't have the psi based ebc ,then went alpine wy at 6-8000 mostly, never changed a box setting the entire trip!!!!

 

[whitdmilkman]

I own a 2008 Pump/Race Gas M1000. 2 pump/race gas M8's and a Race Gas m1200 turbo. I spend most of my time on my M8 pump gas sled at 6psi. It uses the 2871-2 turbo which is like running 10-11 psi on the 2860 turbo. I put 91 in it and ride the piss out of it. It has zero lag, no burbles to ride around, and makes crazy power on pump gas. I have not touched the control box for a long long time.... Dont get me wrong I love the power of the Race Gas sleds and they are awesome to ride but they are more maintainence. Blow more belts, eat reeds faster, and all that fun stuff but they are still reliable.

If I had to own one sled to do it all and I had to travel the distance you have to travel I would do a 2010 or 2011... pumpgas M8- two injector set up with the stock fuel pump. I would run the Twisted Kit and upgrade the BOV to a nice one. Run the 2871-2 turbo and make sure Derrick with Attitude or Shain puts the fuel map that maxes out at 8 psi. This has been the most reliable set up I have found..simplest and the least amount of parts to fail in a kit.. We have 5 of these sleds set up exactly like this in our group that have well over 1500 miles on all the sleds and the only failure we have had is the bearing in the DD went out in one of the sleds. Threw a 15 dollar bearing in it and she is ripping again.

I really think Cutler, Pure Logic and Boondocker have great kits as well. I have owned all of them.

But the most reliable Pull and Go sled I have been able to come up with is the one I describe above.

And I agree with the boys above... Make sure whoever installs the kit knows what the hell they are doing!!!!!!!!!

And find some Turbo Guys that ride a ton and go ride with them a few times to get familiar with things.

and... and ..... and .... and...

Maybe Ill do a quick youtube video of our pump gas sleds so you can check them out and listen to them......


Boost is for Heros!!!!!!!!!

 

[dogtownbutcher]

dude, you got 4 turbo sleds?? wtf??? I'm in the wrong business!!!

 

[whitdmilkman]

yea my wife keeps telling me I need to go to sled addiction rehab....What does she know............lol