I'm not a big mod lover. I've been thinking about buying a 1100 turbo. My boys both have XMs and have told me I'm an idiot for wanting a heavy sled. I ride central Washington. Lake Ann, Stampede and French Cabin creek. Not a lot of technical tree stuff, just touring around in the mountains and climbing hills ect. Is a stock 1100 proclimb fun to ride or will I be hating life trying to ride with the boys on their 800s?
Does a stock 1100 proclimb suck?
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Can of worms...
The M1100T is a good sled in stock configuration, and as elevation increases it keeps it horsepower, which is a good thing because it's considerably heavier then an 800.
BUT... it is a GREAT sled with the proper modifications (ie: Evolution Powersports).
I would try to ride one for a day as a demo before committing to a purchase. It hides it's weight well, but will tire you out sooner then an XM, no doubt about it. I am a "seasoned" rider and love the M1100T, especially with EVO goodies- my backup sled (M800 S/P Ltd) doesn't get out of the trailer often - the turbo is a hoot to ride.
The M1100T is a good sled in stock configuration, and as elevation increases it keeps it horsepower, which is a good thing because it's considerably heavier then an 800.
BUT... it is a GREAT sled with the proper modifications (ie: Evolution Powersports).
I would try to ride one for a day as a demo before committing to a purchase. It hides it's weight well, but will tire you out sooner then an XM, no doubt about it. I am a "seasoned" rider and love the M1100T, especially with EVO goodies- my backup sled (M800 S/P Ltd) doesn't get out of the trailer often - the turbo is a hoot to ride.
Stock M1100T and Stock 800 I prefer the 800, add 100hp and drop some weight the M1100T is a very fun sled as Oneoldfart has also mentioned. Stock I just can't justify the benefits of the M1100T over the loss of handling/weight compared to an 800. I ride a M1100T but knew I was not keeping it stock before I even bought.
I ride a mostly stock 2012 1100T. I rode it bone stock for the first year. I love this sled. I came off of a heavily modded non turbo M1000 and would never go back. I spent some coin to make my 2012 handle like a 2013 so if you do buy one make sure you go with 2013 or newer just make sure you get rid of the stock skis. I have left my motor for the most part stock to keep my warranty. Its a good thing I did because I have used the warranty dozens of times due to buying a first year sled.
Like others have said, Yes it will wear you out at the end of the day more than the 800's but every time I hit a hill and the sled never stops pulling it makes it all worth it.
Just my 2 pennies.
Like others have said, Yes it will wear you out at the end of the day more than the 800's but every time I hit a hill and the sled never stops pulling it makes it all worth it.
Just my 2 pennies.
cant leave it stock gotta get rid of the suite case weight of an exhaust loved mine just didn't want to do all the 13 our 14 updates so traded and got a good deal on an 13 800 carry over so giving that a whirl
If you do get one better plan on 10 inch skis if you plan on getting off the packed trail. front end dives like no other. S P stands for sno pig. Also be sure to order a pallet of belts for the pig. 1600 miles on mine and 12 belts. make sure you are praying while climbing a long steep hill that your belt don't let go before you clear the cornice at the top. And if you don't like it remember the resale value is next to nothing, if you can even find someone to take it off your hands. forgot about the full hood vents too keep the hood from melting into a pile of goo.
Another satisfied customer...
Sounds like you have some alignment issues. Stock skis need replacement for sure, venting is a must on any turbocharged sled (common sense). Have you checked parallelism and proper alignment on your sled?
logchain does have a point: these sleds were not all perfect out of the box, but when setup properly, they are a blast to ride, with minimal maintenance. If you are depending on your local dealer or Cat to fix alignment issues (and I'm not talking offset) - you're basically on your own with MOST dealers. I just changed my original belt @ 842 miles to an EVO unit because I felt I should - it's staying on the sled as a spare. The motor is bulletproof, the chassis requires setup and a different set of skis (BTW, mine are only 7" wide and work well)
Sounds like you have some alignment issues. Stock skis need replacement for sure, venting is a must on any turbocharged sled (common sense). Have you checked parallelism and proper alignment on your sled?
logchain does have a point: these sleds were not all perfect out of the box, but when setup properly, they are a blast to ride, with minimal maintenance. If you are depending on your local dealer or Cat to fix alignment issues (and I'm not talking offset) - you're basically on your own with MOST dealers. I just changed my original belt @ 842 miles to an EVO unit because I felt I should - it's staying on the sled as a spare. The motor is bulletproof, the chassis requires setup and a different set of skis (BTW, mine are only 7" wide and work well)
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freeflorider
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I somewhat agree with the resale value, but that said it goes with pretty much anything that touches snow or dirt for that matter. I have a really clean arctic cat 2011 turbo 2s that cost me about 25 grand just like the 100 or so being sold, if any of us can get 35% of what it worth it's a great day.
I'm sure as the four stroke dirt bikes were they will figure out the sleds...we are all Ginny pigs with all brands and types.
When I consider the cost to building a four stroke nitro, a turbo 4s outa the box with warranty sounds cheep, a few evo products and Wa la! Heavy yes! But some of us want a different riding experience.
The short answer is this ! Bone stock out of the crate, it is a gamble. I work on these things and most of them are belt eaters. After the motor mounts pound out (anytime after 500 miles) almost all are belt eaters. Now knowing that, also know this. The clutch allignment goodies designed by Turbie and sold by EVO truly work. But they do cost so consider that. I would say if you are happy with the performance of an XM, and wanna ride a stock sled then you will be much happier without the M1100!!!
Good post
I guess to be fair, I didn't keep mine stock long enough to witness the motor mount failure, and I do have EVO's mounts / TCL delete. Never really considered the cost, as I've always ridden higher hp sleds, which are all hard on engine mounts. Most M1000 2 Strokes with any miles on them require new mounts after a while, too. Any 800 2 stroke will be lighter then a 4 stroke, and have significantly less torque to stress driveline components. In summary - if you are building a mod platform, the M1100T is a good choice. If you are going to keep your sled bone stock, look at any of the current model 800's, and plan to rebuild the top end around the 2000 mile mark.
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high time
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Mine is fun and does not suck.
Rides like a dream, out climbs any stock sled. It had assembly line issues, but I've had two season without any trouble. It's bone stock, I've never blown a belt with two thousand miles now. I love it, I've never had a sled before that I just rode.
Owen
Rides like a dream, out climbs any stock sled. It had assembly line issues, but I've had two season without any trouble. It's bone stock, I've never blown a belt with two thousand miles now. I love it, I've never had a sled before that I just rode.
Owen
Stock-most had lots of issues. Belt eaters. Lots of guys will say they have no problems but they forget to tell you they spent $10000 on it before they rode it. I used to have one but went to a 2013 xm which is bone stock and it is way more fun to ride. It handles so much easier than the m1100. So if your playing in the trees and want something that is fun go 2 stroke. If you simply hill climb and need heavy power go with the m1100. But be prepared to have your dealer tell you 60 miles on a belt is normal and there is nothing they can do for you.
The stock 1100T is a good sled, but sleds are like campers. No one sled does it all. Things to consider that favor the 1100T over a two stroke 800:
Power at elevation. If you are at sea level and are keeping it stock, don't bother but we ride at 6-9k feet and there is a tremendous power advantage.
Torque is unbelievable and the engine doesn't mind mileage. The electric start is nice to.
The only down side is the weight. It does hide it well but we ride a lot in the trees and it does make handling harder when comparing to my old M1000 but the power helps overcome that.
My 12 doesn't blow belts, it has been flawless. I have added 10" Sly Dogs, EVO 215 program, EVO BOV (both worth it!), can, and the Blow Hole to remove the heat from under the hood. That things works really well.
Sure there are days when I would like a lighter sled but they are few and far between. Again if you are at sea level and aren't going to mod it, I would consider the 8 over the 1100. Try to ride one first, but remember 4 strokes take a different style of ridding so it does take time to learn and be comfortable with it. Also, with any turbo, things come at you a lot faster! Good luck.
Power at elevation. If you are at sea level and are keeping it stock, don't bother but we ride at 6-9k feet and there is a tremendous power advantage.
Torque is unbelievable and the engine doesn't mind mileage. The electric start is nice to.
The only down side is the weight. It does hide it well but we ride a lot in the trees and it does make handling harder when comparing to my old M1000 but the power helps overcome that.
My 12 doesn't blow belts, it has been flawless. I have added 10" Sly Dogs, EVO 215 program, EVO BOV (both worth it!), can, and the Blow Hole to remove the heat from under the hood. That things works really well.
Sure there are days when I would like a lighter sled but they are few and far between. Again if you are at sea level and aren't going to mod it, I would consider the 8 over the 1100. Try to ride one first, but remember 4 strokes take a different style of ridding so it does take time to learn and be comfortable with it. Also, with any turbo, things come at you a lot faster! Good luck.
1100T
I bought an 1100T in 12 and after my first ride i thought what did i do, first thing was the ski's i went with 8in sly dog's that helped alot, i has taking me time to get use to it iv got 800 miles on it now same belt it's never been a belt blower, i would buy one again i took several ride's to get use to it, but i will where you out in the trees if your just a tree rider, i like pull's and tree riding one thing i do have a hard time side hilling with it.
I bought an 1100T in 12 and after my first ride i thought what did i do, first thing was the ski's i went with 8in sly dog's that helped alot, i has taking me time to get use to it iv got 800 miles on it now same belt it's never been a belt blower, i would buy one again i took several ride's to get use to it, but i will where you out in the trees if your just a tree rider, i like pull's and tree riding one thing i do have a hard time side hilling with it.
Thanks for the variety of answers.
I think I'll stay away from the 1100-9000 proclimb. I have old cars and motorcycles and already have way too many things to wrench on. I guess I'll ride the m1000 for a couple more years. I'm still having fun riding it and it has been dependable. I wouldn't mind owning an 1100 that has all the bugs worked out. problem with things heavily modded is that when one of the after market parts fail, you have to figure out who made it, if their still in business and hope they still make your part.
I think I'll stay away from the 1100-9000 proclimb. I have old cars and motorcycles and already have way too many things to wrench on. I guess I'll ride the m1000 for a couple more years. I'm still having fun riding it and it has been dependable. I wouldn't mind owning an 1100 that has all the bugs worked out. problem with things heavily modded is that when one of the after market parts fail, you have to figure out who made it, if their still in business and hope they still make your part.
If you are talking about me, your right I don't have one anymore. I traded my 2012 1100 for less than1/2 what I paid for it and was lucky to get that. As far as the belts go 60 to 80 miles was the norm. And if if I rode like a little panty waste I could get about 120 miles. Dealer and I checked alignment numerous times. Dealer couldent figure it out. Put on the big fin clutch, what a joke, dident change a thing. Arctic cat knew their was a heat problem In the clutches in both the 1100 and 800 in 2012 before they sold any, remember the fan on the primary, that also was a joke. Its a shame that cat would screw their customers like this. They still continue to
do so on their 2014 1100 . This is the 3rd year on this sled. All three of the 2 stroke sleds can be ran stock with minimal problems you should not have to dump another couple of grand in a sled to make it work. I think the cat 1100 turbo is fast becoming cats 900 Polaris.
If your parallel and ctc was correct as you say, and assuming your clutches were also operating properly then you most likely had something changing under load. A couple of relatively cheap OSP and Evo parts would have helped with that. I have worked on quite a few 1100s that the owners say their alignment was good, whether that was them or their dealers were telling them that, and it was not. Not saying you are one of those guys but dealers that are willing to learn what the issues are caused by are having success with the parts that are available.
Not trying to change your opinion on the sled you have, I think you are pretty set on that, but there are people changing belt blowers into sleds people love. I know of 3 people on here that brag about non belt issues, far more lamenting about the problem. This is the norm on any forum.
sure you are going to defend theses sleds you sell all the after market parts to make this sled work. The things cat should have put on at the factory before they left. I've lost all trust in cat. I loved riding the pig. When l bought it I knew it would be heavy and I got around pretty well on it after the upright steering mod. What I did not expect was to dump a couple of grand in it after I bought it to make it workable.
Haha, ya there is sooo much money to be made in aftermarket performance parts. Right. I have way more unpaid time into learning these sleds than you can imagine. Not defending the sleds, just the fact that some people think it takes thousands of dollars to fix every one of them. I'm a Cat dealer so it stands to reason that I would have preferred it right from factory. But instead of burying my head in the sand and refusing to learn anything like lots of other dealers I choose to become part of the solution for my customers.
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