Never had the check engine light. The only problem I ever had was one morning it wouldn't shift out of 1st gear. (The story of the previous evening is a gooder, but for another thread...) Took it to the dealer and it ended up being a bad ground on the TCM for the Allison.
Diesal vs gas
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Never had the check engine light. The only problem I ever had was one morning it wouldn't shift out of 1st gear. (The story of the previous evening is a gooder, but for another thread...) Took it to the dealer and it ended up being a bad ground on the TCM for the Allison.
Ill just go with it being a lemon..
Should go too say, so i dont sound biased, the gassers are better trucks till we drop money into our diesels. Best way i can put the diesel vs gas debate.
Should go too say, so i dont sound biased, the gassers are better trucks till we drop money into our diesels. Best way i can put the diesel vs gas debate.
Yeah, but all you said was "diesel motors are way more effecient than gasoline motors" and when I posted numbers that made sense to back up my claim of ~%4 you told me I was wrong then did nothing to prove that was incorrect other than tell me to go read the same diesel magazines that I'm saying are exaggerating things in the first place
You keep proving what I've been saying and you don't even realize it
I've said at least 20 times in this thread that condition is the ONLY time you are going to see any cost advantage to owning a diesel over a gas motor.
You keep proving what I've been saying and you don't even realize it
I've said at least 20 times in this thread that condition is the ONLY time you are going to see any cost advantage to owning a diesel over a gas motor.
YOU have forgot what our debate was about!!!! Engine Efficiency!!!! Get it right!!! NOT WHAT IT COST TO MAINTAIN IT!!!!
That is your experience and thats great! For me a Diesel has worked out and have 70,000miles on mine without any issues. Good for me and not so good for you. The only thing I have done is change oil, filters and fill it up with diesel. BUT everyone's experience is different. I have known guys to have really good luck (put 400,000 miles on a diesel) and others not so good. One half dozen to another. JMHO
Yeah, but all you said was "diesel motors are way more effecient than gasoline motors" and when I posted numbers that made sense to back up my claim of ~%4 you told me I was wrong then did nothing to prove that was incorrect other than tell me to go read the same diesel magazines that I'm saying are exaggerating things in the first place
Try 30%-40% more fuel efficient with a diesel (Same CI Gas Vs. Same CI Diesel)! NOT what it cost to run one. You can't nor will you ever grasp BTU's of heat or thermodynamics of an engine. And you dont care too. READ UP AND LEARN HOW,WHAT and WHY they work the way that they do! If you want call me and we will debate engine efficiency....Here's my number 541-882-5177
Dude: PROVE HOW AND WHY A DIESEL MOTOR IS %30-40 MORE EFFECIENT THAN A GASOLINE MOTOR. I don't want to see "Because dieseldump magazine said so!!!" I want you to prove it with actual math and engineering DATA.
That number is wildley exaggerated. If you wanted to claim %10 then offer even some conceptual numbers I'd be more forgiving here .... Hell man the links you even posted if you go through them don't back up that claim.
Also, spend 4 or 5 years getting a mechanical engineering degree (golly gee, we might have studied a little thermo in there
), then spend a few years analyzing fleet truck data, and just to top it off, spend a few years designing gas plants (wow no thermo there), optimizing operation of cat 3600 series motors (diesel motors that were converted to natural gas service) that operate large natural gas compressors, etc .... Trust me man, I have a pretty good understanding of this.
I want you to PROVE your claims. Don't make more claims and claim making that claim is proving another claim you made, I want you to show me the math and make me believe you. I've been asking diesel owners to do this for nearly 10 years now and so far the condition you even agreed with me on is the only one that makes them more effecient. Again, who cares how "effecient" the motor is if it costs you 3 times as much to run it? Is the additional %20 range you get worth the 3x additional cost? Maybe if you're compulsivley impatient, I dunno
If diesel motors are %30-40 more effecient than gasoline motors are then we sure would have never ditched entire fleets of them because that would have totally offset any additional operating costs. It makes absolutley *****ZERO**** sense to have this argument and not base it on cost, unless all you wanna do is argue horsepower numbers. Seriously.
Like I said, I've been studying this and following this for _YEARS_ now. I know what I'm talking about here.
Look I am not trying to be a dick here. Really, I really am not ... but like I said, I've studied this over and over and over and there are an awful lot of gaping misconceptions about diesel motors out there .... the primary one of concern that just boggles my mind is that it's somehow cheaper to own a diesel than a gas motor .... that one just blows my mind. I never said that a diesel motor wasn't more effecient than a gas motor, but c'mon %30-40 is absolutley rediculous ....
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Dude: PROVE HOW AND WHY A DIESEL MOTOR IS %30-40 MORE EFFECIENT THAN A GASOLINE MOTOR. I don't want to see "Because dieseldump magazine said so!!!" I want you to prove it with actual math and engineering DATA.
That number is wildley exaggerated. If you wanted to claim %10 then offer even some conceptual numbers I'd be more forgiving here .... Hell man the links you even posted if you go through them don't back up that claim.
Also, spend 4 or 5 years getting a mechanical engineering degree (golly gee, we might have studied a little thermo in there
Trust me man, I have a pretty good understanding of this. But the way no its not
I want you to PROVE your claims. Don't make more claims and claim making that claim is proving another claim you made, I want you to show me the math and make me believe you. I've been asking diesel owners to do this for nearly 10 years now and so far the condition you even agreed with me on is the only one that makes them more effecient. Again, who cares how "effecient" the motor is if it costs you 3 times as much to run it? Is the additional %20 range you get worth the 3x additional cost? Maybe if you're compulsivley impatient, I dunno
If diesel motors are %30-40 more effecient than gasoline motors are then we sure would have never ditched entire fleets of them because that would have totally offset any additional operating costs. It makes absolutley *****ZERO**** sense to have this argument and not base it on cost, unless all you wanna do is argue horsepower numbers. Seriously.
Like I said, I've been studying this and following this for _YEARS_ now. I know what I'm talking about here.
Look I am not trying to be a dick here. Really, I really am not ... but like I said, I've studied this over and over and over and there are an awful lot of gaping misconceptions about diesel motors out there .... the primary one of concern that just boggles my mind is that it's somehow cheaper to own a diesel than a gas motor .... that one just blows my mind. I never said that a diesel motor wasn't more effecient than a gas motor, but c'mon %30-40 is absolutley rediculous ....
I'm not some F*ck'n engineer with a degree and I'm not some hillbilly like you think. I tried to explain it (higher C/R, Heating the air and 15% denser fuel and so on)and you cant see it.....That's fine. It sounds like you have it all figured out! Good for you. Have a nice day...
well, I do apologize though, I really don't mean to be crass. I really don't ...
Sorry if I came off as being that way ....
I apologize myself, I'm not having a good day to top it off! Not a good excuse at all.... Apology excepted. Beer on me!
Weird..
Nice BROMANCE that jsut happend. haha
Maybe the debate should be "Who bought their truck with the right VIN# that has zero problems throughout its life because it was built better".
I dont even think whoever started this thread still posts on it...
Nice BROMANCE that jsut happend. haha
Maybe the debate should be "Who bought their truck with the right VIN# that has zero problems throughout its life because it was built better".
I dont even think whoever started this thread still posts on it...
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flatfoot
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Wow, I think the poor guys post got hijacked. I had to go back to the beginning to see what the hell i wanted to chime in about...lol. I drive and own only diesels, 1 '08 duramax and 1 07 peterbilt with a 550 Cat. I mainly snowmobile Cooke City. Only cold problem ever encountered was a light left on and drained batteries. $350 to Rick, problem solved! Fuel additives...anyone with a dpf needs to be extremely careful about fuel additives. There are only a couple that are approved for use with dpf engines, non approved additives will screw your dpf and your warranty. Change fuel filters in Dec. and May. Run synthetic oil. I prefer rotella 5/40 synthetic because it does the best in my Cat which has a bypass filter system and gets oil analysis every 15,000 miles. (currently 87,000 miles on my oil). I have tried other synthetics, the rotella just holds up better. I also use it in my duramax for that reason. A missed benefit of the synthetic in the diesel is mpg increase. 3.2 mpg increase in the duramax, .3mpg in the cat.
Oh, and one other comment...If diesels weren't more efficient and economical to operate the freight in this country would be moved by gasoline powered trucks, trains, and airplanes. Just my .02
Oh, and one other comment...If diesels weren't more efficient and economical to operate the freight in this country would be moved by gasoline powered trucks, trains, and airplanes. Just my .02
I hear you on the hi-jacking thing!!!! I was trying to save the guy some headaches in buying a diesel.....not a diesel hater, just sick of political regulations that keep hitting you poor diesel guys. Good luck with the whole urea thing!!! As far as I know International is the only ones with a diesel that will pass emmisions without urea.
Just as every one has stated in the posts above:
Diesels.....if you do not mind a little wrenching, filters 2x a year, expensive oil changes, diesel #1 or #2, does this gas station have #1 diesel, programmers, egt deletes, codes showing up, diesel costing more...22 cents different here today in MN, plugging it in, what is the right additive for your specific brand in the winter, Let me know when to stop here fellas.....
Gas: Turn the key and drive, you will be snowmobiling way before the diesel guys because they do not mind the hassels and wrenching.
Hope he is still reading this!!!
Just as every one has stated in the posts above:
Diesels.....if you do not mind a little wrenching, filters 2x a year, expensive oil changes, diesel #1 or #2, does this gas station have #1 diesel, programmers, egt deletes, codes showing up, diesel costing more...22 cents different here today in MN, plugging it in, what is the right additive for your specific brand in the winter, Let me know when to stop here fellas.....
Gas: Turn the key and drive, you will be snowmobiling way before the diesel guys because they do not mind the hassels and wrenching.
Hope he is still reading this!!!
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w4cstriker
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i have a 2009 duramax plain stock oil changes run me at the dealer about $60 but I can run it 6 to 8 thousand miles between oil changes my 2007 5.3 gas cost me around $30 to 39 to change the oil 3 to up to 5 thousand miles when cpu would let me know.mpg are better in duramax pulling a load empty they are close in mpg of course differnce in power. Just my 2 cents p.s dont add any additives to fuel ,station add stuff in the winter fill it and drive
i see my 8.1 must be an exception, i have orginal tranny lines, no leaks and 200k and it runs just as good and pulls just as hard as it did 150k ago. lol i loved the comment that everything would be worn out in 50k miles from pulling heavy loads with a gas motor. oh yea factory fuel pump is still ticking away.
now the tans lines on my dmax was another story, but i fixed those for good. lol
I notice you're in Washington and probably don't see -30 or -40 temps, so that would explain why your tranny lines held up. I've heard it through the grapevine that GM's tranny line issues are very regional and only occur in areas that experience cold weather for extended periods of time.
My daily driver is a 2001 Dodge with the Cummins. It is expensive to use as a daily driver if you look at the upfront cost/replacement cost as compared to a gas rig. I also own a Toyota truck that I use for hunting, wood getting, etc. I have owned numerous vehicles all being gassers other than the Dodge. I don't know crap about efficiencies between the two other than that a gas motor and diesel motor of about the same power and torque will not get the same fuel mileage when stressed. I am not being biased here at all. The diesel will get better fuel mileage when driven with a load. My Dodge has 90 horsepower injectors (additional hp), 4" exhaust, Predator Stage 3 chip, cold air intake, Air Dog fuel pump, and maybe a few other additions. Maybe $2500 to $3000 worth of additions. Definitely more power but not just for my ego. I tried to do the upgrades for fuel economy as well. I don't use the chip much for towing as I don't like the way it makes it shift.
Towing a 3500 lb trailer with four sleds, four adult males, 45 gallons of gas, all our gear, beer, etc. (app. 7000=8000lbs) I got 14.2 miles to the gallon for a trip up to Priest Lake. I know people fudge the numbers as everyone I know gets wayyyyy better mileage than I do but that is what I got. 60 to 70 mph for the most part. A little showing off on the pass (82 mph) but mild for the most part. Unloaded on the highway I get 18 pretty consistently. Best was 20.3 mpg driving through Montana at 65. Not a lot different than a gas motor when empty but a lot different when fully loaded.
Like I said it is my daily driver. To get a different daily driver I would have to get another rig. I don't really want another vehicle so that is what I use. When I bought the Dodge diesel was .10 to .20 cheaper a gallon than gasoline. I used the truck as a work truck for towing my tool trailer and occasionally hauling toys. I have almost 200k in miles on it now and no problems other than the stock lift pump and the track bar. When I have to do it all over again I will get another diesel. Might be a Dodge or might not. I think all things considered the diesel is the way to go.
Just my .02 worth.
Towing a 3500 lb trailer with four sleds, four adult males, 45 gallons of gas, all our gear, beer, etc. (app. 7000=8000lbs) I got 14.2 miles to the gallon for a trip up to Priest Lake. I know people fudge the numbers as everyone I know gets wayyyyy better mileage than I do but that is what I got. 60 to 70 mph for the most part. A little showing off on the pass (82 mph) but mild for the most part. Unloaded on the highway I get 18 pretty consistently. Best was 20.3 mpg driving through Montana at 65. Not a lot different than a gas motor when empty but a lot different when fully loaded.
Like I said it is my daily driver. To get a different daily driver I would have to get another rig. I don't really want another vehicle so that is what I use. When I bought the Dodge diesel was .10 to .20 cheaper a gallon than gasoline. I used the truck as a work truck for towing my tool trailer and occasionally hauling toys. I have almost 200k in miles on it now and no problems other than the stock lift pump and the track bar. When I have to do it all over again I will get another diesel. Might be a Dodge or might not. I think all things considered the diesel is the way to go.
Just my .02 worth.
It isn't uncommon for us to hit 30 below here in the Uintah basin during the dead of winter .... My truck wasn't garaged until 3 months ago either .... Never had a problem with my transmission at all, but I'd usually let the truck warm up 20 minutes before I drove it in the winter as well.
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