delrins in the clutches?

[gmustangt]

Putting delrins in the clutches is a simple enough thing to do..

Now are they worth it... The way i see it is that the metal on metal contact of the springs on the clutches produces more friction.. more friction equals more heat.

So by putting in the delrins are you essientially reducing this friction and eliminating the metal to metal contact... Leading to reduced heat. Am i on the right track?

How many can a guy run.. 2 in primary and 3 in secondary?

 

[Rudy198]

slp recommends only 1 in the secondary,never saw any in primary...if u look on the slp site and find the washer there are instructions that show u where it goes.

 

[Kraven]

SLP recommends ONE and ONLY 1

slp recommends only 1 in the secondary,never saw any in primary...if u look on the slp site and find the washer there are instructions that show u where it goes.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CORRECT, ONLY 1

As far as if they're worth it, the way I see it is for $ 2.00, how can you go wrong?

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

actually it is about metal to metal contact..but not heat from it..its to eliminate binding when the sheives move, so it upshifts and backshifts better/smoother...now I have ran as many as 3..both as a tuning aid (slight spring pressure increase) and most of the time I install 2...stacked between the inner spring seat and the spring...they slip easier when it is plastic to plastic...very worthwhile mod....

 

[pura vida]

a bearing would be even better...

 

[mountainhorse]

I've tried that.. there were some roller thrust bearings out there before...problem is that they were not sealed and dust made them not work at all.

I run two delrins under the cup for plastic on plastic friction...they are thin enough that I'm not worried about any increase in spring force in use.

RON... If you are reading this.. maybe you could give us a breakdown of force at the stock measured height and with 1 and 2 delrin thickness??









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[gmustangt]

what about in the primary? one on each end of the spring to redice the friction there

 

[mountainhorse]

The primary does NOT undergo twisting like the secondary spring does.

as a side note... a Team Tied clutch does not twist at all and delrins are not needed.

I wonder why Polaris does not order the secondarys with these really inexpensive washers already in them?? (Team makes the TSS-04 AND the delrins)






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[gmustangt]

actually it is about metal to metal contact..but not heat from it..its to eliminate binding when the sheives move, so it upshifts and backshifts better/smoother...now I have ran as many as 3..both as a tuning aid (slight spring pressure increase) and most of the time I install 2...stacked between the inner spring seat and the spring...they slip easier when it is plastic to plastic...very worthwhile mod....

okay...so eliminating binding/ make smoother = less resistance = less friction = less heat ... theoretically

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

okay...so eliminating binding/ make smoother = less resistance = less friction = less heat ... theoretically

yes it would help with belt induced heat..but no metal to metal heat...

 

[Reg2view]

Carl's says two, and that's what they provide in their clutch kit for the TSS-04. FWIW.

 

[gmustangt]

Carl's says two, and that's what they provide in their clutch kit for the TSS-04. FWIW.

placed were?

seems the consencus is 2 under the brass cup.. back to back on eachother

 

[winter brew]

placed were?

seems the consencus is 2 under the brass cup.. back to back on eachother

Yes, that's what I always do.
It's not a heat reducing thing, it's for consistency by allowing the spring to twist as it compresses.

 

[pura vida]

I've tried that.. there were some roller thrust bearings out there before...problem is that they were not sealed and dust made them not work at all.

that's funny b/c i've got a setup sitting in my garage. used it last year without issue. pulled it back out b/c i was doing some other clutch testing and didn't want that to be a factor. actually more than the spring pressure issue i was more concerned where it made the rollers sit in on the helix. but i figured it wasn't an issue b/c it would still go into reverse. for the time i used it, dust built up wasn't an issue. planning on trying it again. i'll have to keep my eye out for issues that arise.

 

[Vertical Asshauler]

I wouldnt bother pulling the driven clutch apart to only put in the delrin washer. Its the kind of thing you do when your already changing the spring, helix, ect...

 

[sled_guy]

On a side note, inspect your TEAM secondary spring ends and make sure they are smooth. The ends are 'cut' and usually have a burr on them that bites into the cup. I take a file and just smooth the end off.

sled_guy

 

[tdblakes]

Yes, that's what I always do.
It's not a heat reducing thing, it's for consistency by allowing the spring to twist as it compresses.

so you put 2 under the brass cup? so the stack would be spring, brass cup, delrin, delrin? instead of putting them between the spring and the cup?

 

[Jonce]

Carl's says two, and that's what they provide in their clutch kit for the TSS-04. FWIW.

Just got my Carls clutch kit as well.

From their 660 setup guide:
"2 delrin washers, 1 on each side of driven spring"

 

[Trenchmaster]

When you buy them, there are 3 in the package. I've always used one on each end of the spring and one under the cup, seems to work OK

 

[ak49er]

The primary does NOT undergo twisting like the secondary spring does.

as a side note... a Team Tied clutch does not twist at all and delrins are not needed.

I wonder why Polaris does not order the secondarys with these really inexpensive washers already in them?? (Team makes the TSS-04 AND the delrins)


IMHO, Polaris does not add these as it is, (should be) a fairly frequently service item, to avoid the gumming/binding issue that the washers were to resolve. Now throw another component for the consumer to ignore (washers), and now more frequent, and quicker occurring failures are imminent.
I have always recommended to use one, but two does make more sense.

It was explained to me that the "third" washer would gum the area up quicker than without a washer.