Crap! Senate passed the Omnibus bill

[Wade]

OK, now you can get upset. The bill just passed the Senate 73 to 21.

On to the House now. Then to the mesiah for signature.

 

[Ollie]

If it passed the senate, it's a done deal.
Time to start riding anyway?

 

[DVarmit]

Just like Obama said he would not take away gun ownership. But, his party will regulate ammo...

http://www.usavsus.info/US-AmmoRegistr.htm

We are screwed really screwed..

 

[2XM3]

Time to start packing around a pair of bolt cutters.....

It is getting so bad that it's darn near time to just flat out ignore the wilderness designation. This is really crazy stuff.

 

[Zachcreek]

you will notice they did this in a back door kind of way.
They didn't do it during a regular session.
Just goes to show how badly they are trying to repay their masters in the enviro-zealot special interest groups.

It will come to the point where I just ignore the wilderness completely and just go ride.

Give me a call and I will be with you. I think that wilderness is good, to a point. The groups that are pushing this are powerful, no questions about this. Big money.

The ADA card has not been played as far as I know. Limited access in America for those that are disabled is illegal. Wilderness access is for those that have strong and healthy bodies. I am not part of that sector. I do not know of anybody that has those limitations.

We really need to fight this, but how. If we have Wy republican senators supporting this, what do we do in the Mtn states. Wyoming for gods sake.
Mtn men, cowboys and free range to do what is right. Wyoming may be affected by the Colorado liberalism. Hopefully it is not moving north. I love Montana and Wyoming. At a lose, any ideas?

Soap box is now in the closet.....

 

[student driver]

you will notice they did this in a back door kind of way.
They didn't do it during a regular session.
Just goes to show how badly they are trying to repay their masters in the enviro-zealot special interest groups.

It will come to the point where I just ignore the wilderness completely and just go ride.

Ya, as much as I've avoided those areas, it's coming.

 

[CleElum Sledhead]

I think that wilderness is good, to a point. The groups that are pushing this are powerful, no questions about this......

Although not what you stated, I sure hope you mean we do not need anymore wilderness. 107 million acres is plenty enough for me.

 

[Zachcreek]

Take a look at Colorado. Whats not included on here are the Wilderness study areas. I am not sure about the other states, but the wilderness in Colorado is still growing. I don't think that we need more in Colorado. Problem is, the proponents out number the oponents.

Below are the diffrent wilderness agencies that we have in Colorado.

Bureau of Land Management Wilderness
U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service Wilderness
U.S. Forest Service Wilderness
National Park Wilderness
There are also Areas less than 20,000 acres that are designated Wilderness.

 

[xrated]

wrote my congressman and still no response.

 

[Ollie]

Problem is, the proponents out number the oponents.

I don't think that is really the problem.
The problem is you have a small group who's sole job is to get more wilderness, more land shut down. It's what they are paid to do.

We have jobs, we have to fight this stuff in our spare time.

Meanwhile, the media either ignores the problem or puts out bogus BS in favor of the enviro-zealots. This leads the majority of people that are clueless to side with the enviro-zealots. They just don't know any better and we don't have the financial clout to get the word out.

 

[Zachcreek]

Here is the mission statement from Central Colorado Wilderness Coalition


http://www.ccwcwilderness.org/

 

[Zachcreek]

I don't think that is really the problem.
The problem is you have a small group who's sole job is to get more wilderness, more land shut down. It's what they are paid to do.

We have jobs, we have to fight this stuff in our spare time.

Meanwhile, the media either ignores the problem or puts out bogus BS in favor of the enviro-zealots. This leads the majority of people that are clueless to side with the enviro-zealots. They just don't know any better and we don't have the financial clout to get the word out.

There are a number of small groups, not just one. Collectively they have very powerful lobby efforts. CCWC, Sierra Club, Quit Use Coalition etc. Non-profits that have money dontated to them, for their cause, can afford to make it their agenda with full time staff members, I agree. REI and other large retailers donate to these clubs, it's good for business. Along with the smaller retailers locally that collect for these causes. I see it all over the place. So when I say there are more proponents, its the retailers, customers and everybody that gets a warm and fuzzy feeling with the word wilderness. Wilderness designation is supported in Colorado, just look at the map. Its not going to stop. And the small grass roots groups locally will continue to grow and support the larger organizations.

 

[student driver]

Here is the mission statement from Central Colorado Wilderness Coalition


http://www.ccwcwilderness.org/

The first thing on the top of that page in big red font.
They want more wilderness



Well of course they do.
Ugh

 

[DusterB]

Has Anyone even read this bill?

SC1507. RECREATIONAL TRAVEL MANAGEMENT PLANS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the Secretary shall, in coordination with the Tribes, State, and County, prepare 1 or more travel management plans for motorized and mechanized off-highway vehicle recreation for the land managed by the Bureau of Land Management in the County.
(b) Inventory- Before preparing the plan under subsection (a), the Secretary shall conduct resource and route inventories of the area covered by the plan.
(c) Limitation to Designated Routes-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), the plan shall limit recreational motorized and mechanized off-highway vehicle use to a system of designated roads and trails established by the plan.
(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to snowmobiles.
(d) Temporary Limitation-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), until the date on which the Secretary completes the plan, all recreational motorized and mechanized off-highway vehicle use shall be limited to roads and trails lawfully in existence on the day before the date of enactment of this Act.
(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
(A) snowmobiles; or
(B) areas specifically identified as open, closed, or limited in the Owyhee Resource Management Plan.

EC. 1806. BRIDGEPORT WINTER RECREATION AREA.

(a) Designation- The approximately 7,254 acres of land in the Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest identified as the `Bridgeport Winter Recreation Area', as generally depicted on the map entitled `Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest Proposed Management' and dated September 17, 2008, is designated as the Bridgeport Winter Recreation Area.
(b) Map and Legal Description-
(1) IN GENERAL- As soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall file a map and legal description of the Recreation Area with--
(A) the Committee on Natural Resources of the House of Representatives; and
(B) the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources of the Senate.
(2) FORCE OF LAW- The map and legal description filed under paragraph (1) shall have the same force and effect as if included in this subtitle, except that the Secretary may correct any errors in the map and legal description.
(3) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The map and legal description filed under paragraph (1) shall be on file and available for public inspection in the appropriate offices of the Forest Service.
(c) Management-
(1) INTERIM MANAGEMENT- Until completion of the management plan required under subsection (d), and except as provided in paragraph (2), the Recreation Area shall be managed in accordance with the Toiyabe National Forest Land and Resource Management Plan of 1986 (as in effect on the day of enactment of this Act).
(2) USE OF SNOWMOBILES- The winter use of snowmobiles shall be allowed in the Recreation Area--
(A) during periods of adequate snow coverage during the winter season; and
(B) subject to any terms and conditions determined to be necessary by the Secretary.



Ya this bill could suck for us that recreate during the summer but for us sledders it looks like we should see no effect.

 

[duke1n]

You know what's funny. Start a thread and bag on Obama and watch the liberals on this site come out of the wood work to defend him. Start a thread on land use and loss and they run for the hills.

Where are you at JustaDude, RoughRider, Sleddy, MileHighAssassin? I'm sure I'm leaving out a handful of other Bush hating bleeding hearts but why aren't you guys on here defending your man and his party? I know why. It's because you're willing to sell your sleds and give up sledding all together if that's what your cult leader asks of you.

This is just the beginning folks it's going to get way worse bet your a$$es Pathetic!

 

[DVarmit]

You know what's funny. Start a thread and bag on Obama and watch the liberals on this site come out of the wood work to defend him. Start a thread on land use and loss and they run for the hills.

Where are you at JustaDude, RoughRider, Sleddy, MileHighAssassin? I'm sure I'm leaving out a handful of other Bush hating bleeding hearts but why aren't you guys on here defending your man and his party? I know why. It's because you're willing to sell your sleds and give up sledding all together if that's what your cult leader asks of you.

This is just the beginning folks it's going to get way worse bet your a$$es Pathetic!

You mean the party that is bailing out the banks, auto companies and every other irresponsible company with their hand out and turning around and telling the people who have mortgage problems, you know the ones who voted him into office, that they have to declare bankruptcy? You mean the people who voted in the messiah that is turning around and ***** slapping them? Yeah, were are those people?

300 Million to re-do the lawn at the national mall
335 Million for STD education/medicines
Millions for Acorn? Yes, we need to "thank" them for all their work to get him elected by hauling people who were not eligible to vote so they could register..

You have got to be $hitting me right?

 

[duke1n]

I'd say both parties have their hands full with unsavory payoffs to this group or that. Goes to the argument of selecting the lesser of two evils. I don't care for the recent Repub conservative reincarnation much either but one thing you could count on was they were not going to placate to every lefty extremist group under the sun like the Dems are doing/will do. We're bankrupt and Nancy Pelosi wants to send millions of dollars to other countries to fund abortion. Great investment there...

 

[duke1n]

And then there 5.2 billion to Acorn. Maybe next election they can double the amount of dead people they register to vote. God, we as a country deserve this. I mean if I'm China or Russia I'm thinking now is the time to put the smack down on the US. It'd be like challenging the local junior high cheer leader squad to rumble. How hard can it be to run over a country full of vaginas?

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_bailout_bill/2009/01/27/175729.html?s=al&promo_code=78E4-1