Crap! Senate passed the Omnibus bill

[Wyoming Kim]

I'm so F-ing mad right now I can't see straight.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_go_co/congress_wilderness


I don't have all the details on which areas will be lost, but there is no way we aren't losing riding areas with that bill.

Write or call your congressman NOW and urge the House of Reps to vote this crap down.

 

[Wade]

They just voted for closure, just means their limiting debate. Will come up for vote in the Senate later this week, and then to the House.

S.22 Omnibus Land Bill

Utah, Mt. Hood, and Turnagain are on the Bill.

The Owyhee thing in Idaho sucks ( 0.5 million acres), but isn't going to effect snowmobiles.

Crapo is so happy:

New Idaho Senator Jim Risch cast his first vote in the U.S. Senate to join Crapo in supporting the Omnibus lands bill. "I want to express my deepest gratitude to my colleague Senator Risch for his vote for the bill and for the Owyhee Initiative, dating to back to when he served as Governor of the Great State of Idaho," Crapo added.
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Hard to believe their both Republicans. Thank God!, Mike Simpson wasn't able to squeeze his fat azz Boulder Whiteclouds bill in there. Stanely would be completely surrounded by Wilderness. If you all think this is bad, wait until the Roadless crap gets started again. Were talking 50 million more acres.

 

[Dogmeat]

I'm so F-ing mad right now I can't see straight.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_go_co/congress_wilderness


I don't have all the details on which areas will be lost, but there is no way we aren't losing riding areas with that bill.

Write or call your congressman NOW and urge the House of Reps to vote this crap down.

They basically just turned the entire state of Idaho and most of Western Wyoming into a f-ing wilderness area.

And you wanna know what has had my blood boiling all day today? Mike Enzi, R-Wyo and John Barasso, R-Wyo both voted FOR the god damned thing.

I absolutley cannot possibly for the life of me understand what in the WORLD two REPUBLICAN senators from Wyoming would vote for a bill that would effectivley put the federal government in control of EVEN MORE of their home state than it already controls, which is over %50 BEFORE this mindless clusterf*ck of a bill passed.

I am literally at loss for words on this. ....

 

[Ollie]

you will notice they did this in a back door kind of way.
They didn't do it during a regular session.
Just goes to show how badly they are trying to repay their masters in the enviro-zealot special interest groups.

It will come to the point where I just ignore the wilderness completely and just go ride.

 

[Dogmeat]

It will come to the point where I just ignore the wilderness completely and just go ride.

I think I've reached that point already.

I've been thinking about what would happen if we took a page from Ghandiand "civilly disobeyed" en masse and had a massive million-sledder-ride through as many of the new wilderness areas if we could .... think we'd get the point across that these bills had virtually ZERO local support yet they passed anyway under a smoke-and-mirrors omnibus package?

 

[Wade]

They couldn't get a single one of these bills through congress, but somehow they can get an omnibus through, with no debate.

It's all about the money. If the ranchers and city/counties weren't getting cash for these deals, they'd never go through.

Any of you that voted for a Democratic Congress and Presidency, you may want to take a moment and reflect on this.

 

[Dogmeat]

They couldn't get a single one of these bills through congress, but somehow they can get an omnibus through, with no debate.

It's all about the money. If the ranchers and city/counties weren't getting cash for these deals, they'd never go through.

Any of you that voted for a Democratic Congress and Presidency, you may want to take a moment and reflect on this.

I still can't get over the fact that both Wyoming senators, who are both republicans, voted for this.

I mean they sold that entire state out with this. Literally.

The only people in that state who will be happy about this are the ones who don't even live there, they just own vacation property in Jackson

 

[Ollie]

If we could get a national org. like BRC to organize a mass ride it might work.
We would need to do it every weekend for a year. We would have every enviro-zealot on the planet trying to stop us. It would be war.

I am ALL for it.
Civil disobediance is the only way we will get any land back.

 

[Dogmeat]

If we could get a national org. like BRC to organize a mass ride it might work.
We would need to do it every weekend for a year. We would have every enviro-zealot on the planet trying to stop us. It would be war.

I am ALL for it.
Civil disobediance is the only way we will get any land back.

Wouldn't it be great if Obama really did stand for change, so when this bill reaches his desk he vetos it and says to congress "My first change will be to not pass omnipork packages".

hahahahahahha /deam off.

 

[Xfired]

It looks to me that the section on the Wyoming Range will not be wilderness, just closed to drilling. It's hard to understand all the legal talk in those bills.

 

[BowSheet]

It looks to me that the section on the Wyoming Range will not be wilderness, just closed to drilling. It's hard to understand all the legal talk in those bills.

I've been trying to figure out what this bill means for western Wyo. I personally will not shed a tear if no drilling is allowed in the Wyo Range, but will be quite peeved if motorized recreation is included in the final language. the details rest with the interior department regulation rules, and no one knows what the final rule will be. Often the groups that sponsor the bills help write the "guidance" documents.
Scary.

 

[Seeyacop]

Just wait till a massive forest fire sweeps through these areas and they have no way to fight it. What a waste that will be. Wilderness is a complete waste of good timber that will eventually burn.

What a dispicable thing shut the public out of using their OWN land. I have written my congressmen and senators and they do nothing but give me the spin and thank me for my opinion in their condescending political way.

 

[spudy]

They couldn't get a single one of these bills through congress, but somehow they can get an omnibus through, with no debate.

It's all about the money. If the ranchers and city/counties weren't getting cash for these deals, they'd never go through.

Any of you that voted for a Democratic Congress and Presidency, you may want to take a moment and reflect on this.

Dude, PLEASE don't drag the ranchers into this, We don't support these kinds of bills, or Democratic Congress and Presidents.

 

[powderbound]

I deal with a lobyist group in DC, BLM daily at work then the forstest service rules on weekend. To prevent myself from becoming an IRATE madman I am just stepping away from all this now. I think that there is no hope of stopping any green bill up for vote now. they run the federal government and most the republicans are just as bad. It is more about where people are from. Most of suburbia US has no clue what the Feds do to western states. I grew up in Ohio and the people there would not allow the Feds to run that much of their state. Any Bill up now has been pre-approved. Maybe in a couple years when people do without some things we can make progress.

 

[RMKcowboy]

I absolutley cannot possibly for the life of me understand what in the WORLD two REPUBLICAN senators from Wyoming would vote for a bill that would effectivley put the federal government in control of EVEN MORE of their home state than it already controls, which is over %50 BEFORE this mindless clusterf*ck of a bill passed.

If you think the federal gov't has any control of federal lands (BLM, FS, etc) think again. Every timber sale, every weed control program, every prescribed fire, every little piss ant project has to go out to the public to get shot down so that people who have no fawking clue what they are talking about (enviro zealots and city dwellers who couldn't tell a grand fir from an aspen) how badly we are raping and pillaging the land. So we do nothing... things get overgrown... then they burn. Then the enviro zealots start screaming about how poorly we have managed the forest and that this could have been prevented. NEWS FLASH- we fawking tried to prevent it!
Oregon's lovely democratic governor recently thought it would be a great idea to take all the FS land in OR out of FS control and give it to the state because he had deemed that the FS had done a lousy job of managing the forest. This was prompted after a visit to "the red zone"- 330,000 acres of dead and dying lodgepole pine in SE OR. Newsflash for you Governor K- that's the nature of the beast with lodgepole!
Wilderness = hands tied, no practical or appropriate management can be attempted... EVER. This includes fire suppression.
I'm not saying that fed agencies have done a bang-up job of managing the land (I work for the FS), sure we have fawked up plenty. My point is that the way things are now, we basically can't try ANYTHING because the enviro-zealots think they can do a better job than us... the vast majority of them are so ignorant on natural resource management that they could fall in a barrel of titties and come out sucking their thumbs.
OK rant off.

 

[Snowizard]

RINO Republicans.

RINO=Republican In Name Only.
Liberals in conservative clothing.

 

[Scott]

Great.

 

[sixpointbull]

I've been trying to figure out what this bill means for western Wyo. I personally will not shed a tear if no drilling is allowed in the Wyo Range, but will be quite peeved if motorized recreation is included in the final language. the details rest with the interior department regulation rules, and no one knows what the final rule will be. Often the groups that sponsor the bills help write the "guidance" documents.
Scary.

Just as an fyi- the Wyoming portion of this thing was originally started by Senator Thomas. He and the current delegation reached out to the Wyoming snowmobile community and discussed the issue to be sure they weren't going to trample us in the process.
There is a huge coalition of Wyoming folks who have gone to bat for the Wyoming Range measure.
I for one am very thankful our Senators were concerned enough to include the snowmobile community in that discussion.

If you want to help, don't just rant on the internet- join a club, get involved, ask questions, be proactive and informed.

 

[wyomojo]

This omnibus bill also includes wolf kill reparations which the politically powerful Stockgrowers were fully behind. There was also some rumbling from Idaho about more storage on the Snake River, which caused the hippies & the rich in Jackson to want a Wild & Scenic designation, which is also included in the bill.

Regardless, I sent Sen. Barrasso a letter saying that I didn't agree with omnibus bills and that each of these 150+ bills needed to stand alone & be voted on seperately. I told him I though it was wrong to get his pet projects passed on the backs of recreationists in other states who stood to lose over 2 million acres forever to Wilderness designation.

I basically got a STFU response back from his office.

 

[RMKcowboy]

Wild and Scenic? The SNAKE??!? WTF are these people smoking?