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congress and the debt ceiling..

Most of those big companies don't pay taxes yearly....it gets more complicated than I can even comprehend. they have tax pools, deferred taxes etc... Boeing is on the list of paying ZERO federal income tax but they draw from a tax pool (as I understand it), so even though they paid zero in 2010 their tax rate was still 22.9% and over 30% the prior 2 years, averaging well over $1 Billion in Fed tax alone each year.
I think there is alot of politics played in the media on this lately. I read the articles on Boeing but then looked at their published annual report and get a much different picture. Same with GE.
A flat tax would be so much simpler and seems fair.
 
What is a corporate tax rate? What does it mean? Profits of the company? After the top dogs get paid? It seems lately that most CEO's and higher ups get paid with stock (about 50%), and I thought the capital gains rate is only 15%. (much less then income tax rate)

Can anyone explain for me?
 
It's very simple corporate profits are taxed twice, once as corporate income and the second time when the profits are dispersed to the stockholders they pay personal taxes on the income they receive. Capital gains would be on the income from selling the stock itself. Swampy



What is a corporate tax rate? What does it mean? Profits of the company? After the top dogs get paid? It seems lately that most CEO's and higher ups get paid with stock (about 50%), and I thought the capital gains rate is only 15%. (much less then income tax rate)

Can anyone explain for me?
 
A little info on those greedy big corps and taxes

What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes
Christopher Helman, 04.13.11, 07:10 PM EDT
For all the outcry over GE, a number of corporate titans are paying much higher rates than the average citizen.
As many Americans finish up their personal tax returns over the next few days, they'll marvel with horror at how much hard-earned cash gets siphoned up by the government. At times like this, it's satisfying to have a corporate bogeyman to hate--like General Electric, which has faced a withering hail of criticism since The New York Times proclaimed last month that the conglomerate paid no federal taxes in 2010, despite $5 billion in U.S. profits. There goes corporate America again, always sticking it to the little guy.
But is there any real reason to believe that? Sure, GE has an army of accountants and lobbyists trying to reduce its tax burden, but wouldn't you if you had $150 billion in worldwide revenue and $14.2 billion in pretax income last year?
To see if GE was an aberration, we took a look at the 2010 annual reports of the 20 most profitable U.S. companies. Some of the results may surprise you. The average income tax rate within the group was 25.4%. America's three biggest oil companies, ExxonMobil ( XOM - news - people ), Chevron ( CVX - news - people ) and ConocoPhillips ( COP - news - people ), all endure income tax burdens of more than 40%--higher than the statutory U.S. rate of 35%. Exxon, with a 45% rate, tallied $21.6 billion in worldwide income taxes for 2010. Wal-Mart Stores ( WMT - news - people ) paid $7.1 billion (at a rate of 32.4%) in income taxes.
All these tax burdens are higher than the average citizen pays. So where does General Electric ( GE - news - people ) stand? Contrary to what many in the public seem to think, the conglomerate did pay taxes in 2010. It reported $2.7 billion in cash tax payments during the year, and on its income statement lists a provision for income taxes of $1.05 billion. Considering GE's pretax income of $14.2 billion, that makes for a tax rate of just 7.4%. The only one of the 20 corporate giants with a lower rate was AT&T ( T - news - people ), at -6.4%--but that was only because MaBell won a tax settlement with the IRS that reduced its tax liability by $8.3 billion.
So how to make sense of GE's taxes? The outcry seems to focus on the $5 billion in profits GE made in the U.S. Now if GE were to pay the 35% statutory federal corporate tax rate on that, it would come to $1.75 billion. Yet, as the Times trumpeted, GE has recorded a $3.25 billion tax benefit for the year on its U.S. operations. It's important to understand that this "benefit" is not a refund (which is why the Associated Press should be doubly embarrassed for being fooled Wednesday by a bogus GE press release concocted by the Yes Men that said the conglomerate intended to return its $3.2 billion tax "refund" to the U.S. Treasury). It just represents an amount GE will balance out against other tax obligations.
But why does GE get this benefit? Simple: its finance arm, GE Capital, lost a lot of money during the financial meltdown (roughly $30 billion) and it's still carrying those losses forward and deducting them from current income. As GE spokesman Gary Sheffer wrote in his response to the Times story: "Without these financial crisis losses at GE Capital, GE's tax rate would have been near the average of other multinational corporations." He added, "In short, when you lose money, you don't pay taxes."
If GE's industrial side (maker of jet engines, light bulbs, turbines and such) were a standalone entity, its global tax rate would be 16.8%. It's only after consolidating its results with the GE Capital side that its rate drops down to 7.4%.
A lot of other mega-corporations suffered losses during the financial meltdown as well, but their tax rates aren't as low as GE's. So what's GE doing that they aren't? Yes, GE's lobbyists have helped get laws passed like those that grant federal tax credits for green energy investments like wind turbines. GE both builds such turbines and invests in wind farms and gets millions in such credits.
But the real tax benefits are gleaned overseas. The U.S. has higher corporate tax rates than nearly all the world's biggest economies, so it's only natural that GE would seek to generate as much of its profits overseas as possible. As long as those profits aren't repatriated to the U.S., GE doesn't owe U.S. tax rates on them.
GE reports that its overseas profit pile has grown to $94 billion. That cash is put to work, often lent to customers of GE's big ticket items. GE explains in its annual report some of these "intercompany transactions." GE makes aircraft engines for the likes of Boeing ( BA - news - people ), then GE Capital buys the planes and leases them out. Likewise, GE Capital will buy buildings and cars and lease them to GE And GE will sell GE Capital its receivables. Last year GE Capital acquired $7.7 billion of property and equipment, primarily commercial aircraft. All told, the division holds 1,800 aircraft worth $35 billion in 75 countries.
Overseas profits stay overseas, beyond the arm of Uncle Sam. But when losses happen, like in the credit crunch, they can be netted against U.S. profits. Just another balancing act in the global marketplace.
If you want to blame someone for shipping jobs and capital overseas, blame Congress. There would be no reason for GE or any company to engage in accounting contortions if Congress just reduced corporate taxes to be competitive with the rest of the world--say 25%.
And if you're still determined to hate GE for its tax "avoision" consider this: None of its executives are jumping for joy over the value of their stock-based compensation. An investment of $100 in GE five years ago would be worth just $58 today. The same money in the S&P 500 would be worth $101.
With that kind of sad-sack performance, maybe it's time for Jeff Immelt to start emulating the head of an even more diverse conglomerate: Berkshire Hathaway ( BRK - news - people ) Chairman Warren Buffett. The Oracle of Omaha has for years pushed for higher taxes for the rich, lamenting that his tax rate is lower than his secretary's. Berkshire paid some $5.6 billion in income taxes last year, at a 29% rate. That same $100 in Berkshire would now be up to $140.
 
What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes
Christopher Helman, 04.13.11, 07:10 PM EDT
For all the outcry over GE, a number of corporate titans are paying much higher rates than the average citizen.
As many Americans finish up their personal tax returns over the next few days, they'll marvel with horror at how much hard-earned cash gets siphoned up by the government. At times like this, it's satisfying to have a corporate bogeyman to hate--like General Electric, which has faced a withering hail of criticism since The New York Times proclaimed last month that the conglomerate paid no federal taxes in 2010, despite $5 billion in U.S. profits. There goes corporate America again, always sticking it to the little guy.
But is there any real reason to believe that? Sure, GE has an army of accountants and lobbyists trying to reduce its tax burden, but wouldn't you if you had $150 billion in worldwide revenue and $14.2 billion in pretax income last year?
To see if GE was an aberration, we took a look at the 2010 annual reports of the 20 most profitable U.S. companies. Some of the results may surprise you. The average income tax rate within the group was 25.4%. America's three biggest oil companies, ExxonMobil ( XOM - news - people ), Chevron ( CVX - news - people ) and ConocoPhillips ( COP - news - people ), all endure income tax burdens of more than 40%--higher than the statutory U.S. rate of 35%. Exxon, with a 45% rate, tallied $21.6 billion in worldwide income taxes for 2010. Wal-Mart Stores ( WMT - news - people ) paid $7.1 billion (at a rate of 32.4%) in income taxes.
All these tax burdens are higher than the average citizen pays. So where does General Electric ( GE - news - people ) stand? Contrary to what many in the public seem to think, the conglomerate did pay taxes in 2010. It reported $2.7 billion in cash tax payments during the year, and on its income statement lists a provision for income taxes of $1.05 billion. Considering GE's pretax income of $14.2 billion, that makes for a tax rate of just 7.4%. The only one of the 20 corporate giants with a lower rate was AT&T ( T - news - people ), at -6.4%--but that was only because MaBell won a tax settlement with the IRS that reduced its tax liability by $8.3 billion.
So how to make sense of GE's taxes? The outcry seems to focus on the $5 billion in profits GE made in the U.S. Now if GE were to pay the 35% statutory federal corporate tax rate on that, it would come to $1.75 billion. Yet, as the Times trumpeted, GE has recorded a $3.25 billion tax benefit for the year on its U.S. operations. It's important to understand that this "benefit" is not a refund (which is why the Associated Press should be doubly embarrassed for being fooled Wednesday by a bogus GE press release concocted by the Yes Men that said the conglomerate intended to return its $3.2 billion tax "refund" to the U.S. Treasury). It just represents an amount GE will balance out against other tax obligations.
But why does GE get this benefit? Simple: its finance arm, GE Capital, lost a lot of money during the financial meltdown (roughly $30 billion) and it's still carrying those losses forward and deducting them from current income. As GE spokesman Gary Sheffer wrote in his response to the Times story: "Without these financial crisis losses at GE Capital, GE's tax rate would have been near the average of other multinational corporations." He added, "In short, when you lose money, you don't pay taxes."
If GE's industrial side (maker of jet engines, light bulbs, turbines and such) were a standalone entity, its global tax rate would be 16.8%. It's only after consolidating its results with the GE Capital side that its rate drops down to 7.4%.
A lot of other mega-corporations suffered losses during the financial meltdown as well, but their tax rates aren't as low as GE's. So what's GE doing that they aren't? Yes, GE's lobbyists have helped get laws passed like those that grant federal tax credits for green energy investments like wind turbines. GE both builds such turbines and invests in wind farms and gets millions in such credits.
But the real tax benefits are gleaned overseas. The U.S. has higher corporate tax rates than nearly all the world's biggest economies, so it's only natural that GE would seek to generate as much of its profits overseas as possible. As long as those profits aren't repatriated to the U.S., GE doesn't owe U.S. tax rates on them.
GE reports that its overseas profit pile has grown to $94 billion. That cash is put to work, often lent to customers of GE's big ticket items. GE explains in its annual report some of these "intercompany transactions." GE makes aircraft engines for the likes of Boeing ( BA - news - people ), then GE Capital buys the planes and leases them out. Likewise, GE Capital will buy buildings and cars and lease them to GE And GE will sell GE Capital its receivables. Last year GE Capital acquired $7.7 billion of property and equipment, primarily commercial aircraft. All told, the division holds 1,800 aircraft worth $35 billion in 75 countries.
Overseas profits stay overseas, beyond the arm of Uncle Sam. But when losses happen, like in the credit crunch, they can be netted against U.S. profits. Just another balancing act in the global marketplace.
If you want to blame someone for shipping jobs and capital overseas, blame Congress. There would be no reason for GE or any company to engage in accounting contortions if Congress just reduced corporate taxes to be competitive with the rest of the world--say 25%.
And if you're still determined to hate GE for its tax "avoision" consider this: None of its executives are jumping for joy over the value of their stock-based compensation. An investment of $100 in GE five years ago would be worth just $58 today. The same money in the S&P 500 would be worth $101.
With that kind of sad-sack performance, maybe it's time for Jeff Immelt to start emulating the head of an even more diverse conglomerate: Berkshire Hathaway ( BRK - news - people ) Chairman Warren Buffett. The Oracle of Omaha has for years pushed for higher taxes for the rich, lamenting that his tax rate is lower than his secretary's. Berkshire paid some $5.6 billion in income taxes last year, at a 29% rate. That same $100 in Berkshire would now be up to $140.



LMAO!!



Sure, GE has an army of accountants and lobbyists trying to reduce its tax burden,


Then later,



we took a look at the 2010 annual reports of the 20 most profitable U.S. companies. Some of the results may surprise you. The average income tax rate within the group was 25.4%.


OK...

If you want to blame someone for shipping jobs and capital overseas, blame Congress. There would be no reason for GE or any company to engage in accounting contortions if Congress just reduced corporate taxes to be competitive with the rest of the world--say 25%.


So blame Congress for listening to GE's lobbyists....

So what you are really trying to say is it's the 0.4% that the top 20 companies are paying that is causing all the problems.
 
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LMAO!!






Then later,






OK...




So blame Congress for listening to GE's lobbyists....

So what you are really trying to say is it's the 0.4% that the top 20 companies are paying that is causing all the problems.

What I am pointing out is that those big corps do pay taxes on their profits as the article noted at an average of 25% and the liberal media is disengenuous when reporting only part of the GE story creating class envy, which is their real goal, divide and conquor. It is clear GE is taking loss credit forward to lower their tax burden just as you or I would if we took a loss or averaged income because of a windfall. If they could simply have their lobbyist's get the government to lower their foreign profit taxes don't you think that would have happened years ago. You cannot expect the US to be competitive in the world market when it has the highest corporate taxes, and probably now the highest individual rates, in the world. What a disgrace the symbol of freedom and individual rights has been relegated to third world status. Like you I do not enjoy having giant multnational corporations but unfortunately their are some projects which require such size and wealth.
GE is no different than Boieng they need to make a profit to compete in the world market and you will note Boeing is spreading out their manufacturing operations more and more and that could very easilly shift jobs out of the country. I have continouslly pointed out the fact that 'THE PROBLEM IS NOT TAX REFORM, THE PROBLEM IS SPENDING REFORM. Swampy
 
This scares me more than a corporation creating millions of jobs only paying 25% taxes on income. Swampy

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Democrats in the House of Representatives might decide not to support a last-minute deal to raise the debt ceiling when they meet on Monday, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said on Sunday.
 
The left and tea-party don't like the bill...Who would've ever thought those 2 would agree?
 
Isn't this the farthest the can has ever been kicked?? :face-icon-small-dis
So far, everything the Obama haters had predicted continues to come true....C&P economics in action!
 
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its such BS everyone can agree on that ! God our "leaders" are sad. :frusty:
no doubt, they even had to create a special committee to give recommendations for cutting programs. That way they can't be called out for voting / supporting or having say in what cuts are actually made.

How do we solve the problem, lets have a committee! Doesn't this just point the finger that congress is inept to solving any problem? Scratch that, I am not looking for a solve, lets just move in the right direction, try some stuff, throw out what didn't work, then try some more stuff..

This "I have a plan to fix everything" crap is getting tiring. There is no "plan", this is no "way", there is only a direction..
 
no doubt, they even had to create a special committee to give recommendations for cutting programs. That way they can't be called out for voting / supporting or having say in what cuts are actually made.

How do we solve the problem, lets have a committee! Doesn't this just point the finger that congress is inept to solving any problem? Scratch that, I am not looking for a solve, lets just move in the right direction, try some stuff, throw out what didn't work, then try some more stuff..

This "I have a plan to fix everything" crap is getting tiring. There is no "plan", this is no "way", there is only a direction..


Does Obama have alzheimers??
http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sit...files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf

He already had a debt commission that put together a detailed report...maybe he didn't get the report because he sure hasn't followed any of their recomendations. Maybe another group of guys can put together a different report to ignore.
Let me guess....close to election time the recomendations will be something popular with the voters (tax the rich) and he is just the man to implement those trendy ideas. It will also cater to those that have donated generously to his campaign fund (looks like wall street still likes him to the tune of $60 million recently) :face-icon-small-dis...why is this crap legal????
 
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