EagleRiverDee, i appreciate your outlook on all of this. As for the replies that are comming up, they are directed at clowns like dobber1 and others with the same attitude. Almost everyone that is upset about whats going on with this forum is not mad about 15 or 30 bucks, but thats already been covered a thousand times. I pay/donate to another site, but the money goes to a decent cause, not a chat box and smiley faces, and well apparently a signature and avatar lol. Its all good man, Theres alot of good folks from here, a few will stay, the rest i hope to catch back up with on another forum sometime soon.