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Civic 101 for Elect OBAMA and those who voted for him!!

Wade said:
Your right. And, the republicans better get off their cans, raise some cash, and get a really great person lined up for 2012. There's no excuse for being beat by Obama. This country used to fight socialism, now it's becoming one.
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Where did your quote from H20SKE come from? The numbers for total money spent in the campaign are grossly inaccurate..... Seems like there are lots of inaccuracies for reasons why McCain lost. It could never be that most people just didn't want him to be president.... there must have been some cheating going on, there must have been a scam, there must have been a scandal somewhere....

I love how a 6% change in tax structure for the rich is the difference between a socialist and a capitalist state..... FYI, we will always be somewhere between capitalism and communism / socialism, I wouldn't have thought this is such a hard concept to understand..
 
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Ruffypelosia---What makes you think that the dollars spent were grossly inaccurate?

What do you think buying a TV channel and running it 24/7 for 3 months??
$10?? Add a bunch of zeros to that.

I did not say that there was cheating--I just stated that Obama spent 10 times as much as McCain and he only won by 4%--pretty sad---It is called marketing--get in sales bud---If you put it in front of the people enough--they will buy it everytime!!

H20SKE...

PS I do not know what happened to the post wade quoted--it vanished--But I did state it all!!
 
H20SKE said:
Ruffypelosia---What makes you think that the dollars spent were grossly inaccurate?
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Because they are wrong? Might want to start looking at some actual numbers H2IMWRONGSKE, instead of trying to extrapolate numbers from a made up example. :p ;) :beer;

fund raising amounts..

Note that after McCain had gotten the nomination, the republican party had a lot of money to give to McCain, since he got the nomination before the primary. The democratic party had pretty much none, due to Obama and Hillary duking it out until the very end. I found that data before, but I can't right now... I think it was another 50-100 million... not sure though..
 
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Yha, the numbers are hard to understand. It was more like 2 to 1, or 3 to 1. McCain got 84 Million from the feds, to spend during the campaign (nomination to election day). He had some money before, due to getting the nod early. I'm not really sure where McCain got $370 Million. But, the amount of money that Obama raised is unbelievable. Of course, he had to back out of his promise to not take federal funds. It was just a promise, not like he had any honor in the statement or anything. All's fair to win the whitehouse. I'm sure that in 4 years, no one will even remember his promise, after watching him break so many more.

The basic direction H20SKE was going was correct, from my point of view. Obama ran a hell of a campaign, collected tons of money from individuals, and just crushed McCain with his 800 pound gorilla movement. The republicans, need to do the same thing. It's not that they can't given the right candidate.

And Ruffy, I knew you'd go after those numbers, but I should have warned H20SKE. Your so protective of Obama. Do you have a poster on your bedroom wall? :D I wonder why the post got erased. Didn't seem worth deleting. H20SKE, you must have deleted it by accident.
 
H2IMWRONGSKE ----LMAO

Okay Ruffo-pelosia

What makes you think that because that is what was raised, according to the report, that is all they spent???

Pull your head out of the sand--This is government buisness--officially or not--
They always spend more than they have---hahaha.

Does not matter actual numbers anyways--the Demo's spent WAY more than the Republicains---Good way of getting your person in office--But it is what it is.

Fact is--they bought the office of president--heck--with that much--they would have got Hilary in office:eek:.


Still---WHO IS PAYING FOR THE ICE CREAM????

The 48% is who!!

H20SKE...
 
Wade said:
And Ruffy, I knew you'd go after those numbers, but I should have warned H20SKE. Your so protective of Obama. Do you have a poster on your bedroom wall? :D I wonder why the post got erased. Didn't seem worth deleting. H20SKE, you must have deleted it by accident.
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Why didn't you correct them then? Protective of the truth more like. I don't care if you disagree with Obama, or don't like him, but when I see all the bs that gets spread around, (especially after I have already pointed out that the numbers were incorrect in a post months ago) it gets irritating..

With this much bs flowing from the right, and an equal or greater amount of bs flowing from the left, it constantly leads me to believe that neither really has a clue and both are misinformed as much as the other with neither really understanding the point of view of the other... Kind of sad really... Seems the hate for the other side allows one to loose focus quite easily...

Oh, and no poster, though he did give me a signed picture that said "Keep up the good work on Snowest, ruffy!" lol It is right next to my bed... aaahhhhh, my messiah!.... wow, that was just wrong... maybe funny but wrong...:beer; Oh and he told me I was going to be getting a valintine from Pelosi this year too!;)
 
H20SKE said:
Fact is--they bought the office of president--heck--with that much--they would have got Hilary in office:eek:.
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Who is they? You mean the majority of people bought the president office to get a person the majority of people wanted into office? Seems like a case of people putting their money where their mouth was....

Maybe republicans need to loosen up the purse strings a little bit..:p

Though, honestly the amount that both spent is crazy..
 
ruffryder said:
Who is they? You mean the majority of people bought the president office to get a person the majority of people wanted into office? Seems like a case of people putting their money where their mouth was....


Why was it the majority---Because they spent the money to get the message across that Obama was delivering---I will give you all "ICE CREAM"

Maybe republicans need to loosen up the purse strings a little bit..:p

No Doubt on that!!




52% of AMERICA said--I want ICE CREAM!!

I was not one of them---But I will have to pay for them-----I live in REALITY!!


H20SKE...
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Wade said:
Oh, no comment about Obama going back on his word hey?
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We hashed this out before... Obama's problem with the agreement was that McCain was going to use RNC's money too.... while limiting each candidate to the federal limits of election money.... and the democratic party had none to offer Obama due to using it all up in the Obama vs. Hillary campaigns..

So, he / they wanted to play fair, but McCain wouldn't, then Obama said fu and squashed him with his fund raising hammer.....

I seem to remember something about McCain not even being able to take the federal money anyways... something about already having a loan or something...

some interesting stuff... but it is best not to read too much into it and to just repeat the buzz words over and over again....
 
ruffryder said:
We hashed this out before... Obama's problem with the agreement was that McCain was going to use RNC's money too.... while limiting each candidate to the federal limits of election money.... and the democratic party had none to offer Obama due to using it all up in the Obama vs. Hillary campaigns..

So, he / they wanted to play fair, but McCain wouldn't, then Obama said fu and squashed him with his fund raising hammer.....

I seem to remember something about McCain not even being able to take the federal money anyways... something about already having a loan or something...

some interesting stuff... but it is best not to read too much into it and to just repeat the buzz words over and over again....
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How unfair, at least Obama kept up the Democratic mantra, promise a lot, then limit expectations, and find someone else to blame for not keeping your promises. Two out of three aint bad. He was mad because Hillary forced him to spend a lot before the nomination. Not McCain's fault. Already, the economy is so bad, even the messiah may not be able to undo Bush's work. Three for Three there.
 
Wade said:
How unfair, at least Obama kept up the Democratic mantra, promise a lot, then limit expectations, and find someone else to blame for not keeping your promises. Two out of three aint bad. He was mad because Hillary forced him to spend a lot before the nomination. Not McCain's fault. Already, the economy is so bad, even the messiah may not be able to undo Bush's work. Three for Three there.
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Nice redirect..... kind of like the 5 D's of dodge ball....

Unfair? Well isn't the whole point of the candidates only using federal money in the first place to make it fair? So what would be the reason for Obama to enter into it knowing ahead of time that McCain already had the advantage...

Funny how everyone here is so capitalism love happy, but fail to realize Obama's capitalistic drive in fundraising... seems if this were a republican it would be looked at a different way..
 
ruffryder said:
Nice redirect..... kind of like the 5 D's of dodge ball....

Unfair? Well isn't the whole point of the candidates only using federal money in the first place to make it fair? So what would be the reason for Obama to enter into it knowing ahead of time that McCain already had the advantage...

Funny how everyone here is so capitalism love happy, but fail to realize Obama's capitalistic drive in fundraising... seems if this were a republican it would be looked at a different way..
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Not a redirect at all, just over your head. Obama was behind because the Dems bleed during the Primaries. Not McCain's fault. I don't think anyone's *****ing because the Dems out raised the Republicans. They did a fine job raising money, and put it to good use buying the election. McCain should have positioned himself to not take government funds after Obama broke his promise. The fact that Obama was raking in that cash, would have caused Republicans to give more. McCain was badly positioned for money at the time, made some bad choices. Oh well, Obama will repay his funders, with tax payer's money. He will be ready to take in another record amount in 3 years. That's funny, seems Obama did take government funds, just indirectly.
 
H2WRONGOSKE said:
52% of AMERICA paid to support a candidate that said--I want ICE CREAM!!
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H2WRONG0SKE said:
Now you are just like the media---you quote improperly and inform the public--Just make what is said fit what you need or want it to say---
WRONG!!!


H20SKE...
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So it is your stance that the republicans (the 48%) are the ones that paid to support Obama? Quote improperly? I was just trying to clarify your point, as the people that voted for him are the ones that also gave money to him.... How would you further clarify your statement, or what did you think was wrong with it? FYI, I put it in bold to show that it wasn't your words... not sure if that is what you are arguing about.

I find it funny you think that only republicans are the ones that pay taxes... It would be interesting to see how much money is actually paid out in taxes by political party.. I know democratic states pay more then they get on average as compared to republican states......
 
Bottom line, we all lost in this election. Think it's bad now? Wait until the next election and even more people say "F - it, I want my ice cream too". Then in another four years there will be even more with their hands out. It's going to make this recession look like a joke. We'll call these the good ol' days. It is going to take a complete collapse of this welfare/earmark/special interest, socialist way of doing things before things will get better for the long haul. It is like giving a child his allowance, even though he didn't do his chores. Then one parent raising his allowance, just so they would be the more loved/popular one. The kid grow up without work ethic or understanding what it is like to earn and be accountable. I'm not saying that Republicans are doing a sweet job, but if they would get back to their core values, we would be much better off.
 
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