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the point is how much obama says he is going to "change" everything.
Civic 101 for Elect OBAMA and those who voted for him!!
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the point is how much obama says he is going to "change" everything.
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I don't have any stats in front of me, but I'll take your word on the split of the 'white collar working man'... With that said, I'd lay a sizable bet that the welfare, sofa loving, give me give me groups, and let us not forget the black vote, was anything BUT 50/50... more like 90/10. Which pretty much sums up the common belief about what the guy stands for. Now if that doesn't scream "we' got us a problem", I'm not sure what does.
You got that sled back together yet....
That is completely true, but the percentages of those voter as compared to the amount of total voters is not that large.
I am not trying to say that they didn't make a difference, just that people shouldn't forget that there were a lot of regular people that voted for Obama... even hard working ones...
I like how ruffryder trys to pass his opinion as fact.
Now that he's elected, the truth comes out!!! Can't believe people fell for all that crap he was saying!!
I don't have any stats in front of me, but I'll take your word on the split of the 'white collar working man'... With that said, I'd lay a sizable bet that the welfare, sofa loving, give me give me groups, and let us not forget the black vote, was anything BUT 50/50... more like 90/10. Which pretty much sums up the common belief about what the guy stands for. Now if that doesn't scream "we' got us a problem", I'm not sure what does.
You got that sled back together yet....
I think minorities and lower class voters were more around the 70/30 marks for who they voted for, the problem is that many of these types do not even bother to vote.
What percentage of people are welfare recipients? What percentage are students / young people? You bring up some points, but they aren't good.. Just small demographics that swung toward Obama. Too bad that don't represent much in the means of a majority of percentages of total voters....
Your feel good argument lacks substance... but that is why it is based on emotion....
So you are only a "real hard working people" if you voted for McCain?....
Put them blinders on, it will help you feel better about the country... those dang liberals and welfare recipients... ruining the country..
GREAT DATA!!!!
Now, if your highness is finished berating and name calling.
Let's see. For people making less than $27,000 a year, about 70 percent Obama.
Blacks, 90% Obama.
Latinos about 65% Obama.
Students 70% Obama.
Welfare, no stats, but I'm sure it's over 90% Obama.
Whites women 38% Obama.
White men 35% Obama.
I think those that want free ice cream, voted for Obama. Those that can get their own damn ice cream, voted for McCain. There's undoubtly, many "highly" educated people that voted for Obama. But, there's lots of "highly" educated people that can't change a light bulb. Sorry, but from what I can see, Obama got the free handout crowd's vote, and the environmentalist, union, socialist, young, anti war, and Bush hater vote. He got enough votes from pill popper crowd to clinch the victory.
As I recall, the economy was in a down turn when Bush took office. He and the congress turned it around. Then 9/11. A devastating blow to our nation. Once again, Bush and congress turned it around. Thing were very good. Low inflation, lower unemployment than Clinton, stock market booming. Then Democrats took control of the House and Congress. Fuel prices rose, unemployment rose, the stock market started tanking. It seems that Democrats wanted this. They knew their Hollywood and media buddies would pin it on Bush. Obama comes and offers free this, and free that, to anyone with a hand out. Who can take an honest look at social security and actually think government "free" health care will work? Who is going to pay for it? Who is going to pay for the other trillion in new spending? It won't be long before the "wealthy" say "f-it" and change their home address to the Cayman islands . There will be no incentive to be prosperous. No incentive to grow any sort of business here, in America. Check out bar stool economics.
Bar Stool Economics
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from every body's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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This is the 2008 election results by county. Blue of course Liberal, Red is Republican. Interesting that the majority of land mass is Red.
Why is it that the majority of liberals are near the oceans or great lakes......Are they getting ready to jump on a ship and go to Russia if need be? Why do the majority live in large population areas? Are they afraid of being alone, or is it the strength by numbers idea....this way they can gang up on Conservatives?
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That is completely true, but the percentages of those voter as compared to the amount of total voters is not that large.
I am not trying to say that they didn't make a difference, just that people shouldn't forget that there were a lot of regular people that voted for Obama... even hard working ones...
OK: I beg to differ, as the percentage is HUGE.
Let's say for kicks that 1 in 10 people votes (within the categories listed previously).
There is approx. 2 million people on welfare. Of course, this only includes Federal "Welfare"... not all the other federal programs (SSI), State programs (I couldn't even begin to count those), food stamps, etc, etc; all the entitlement programs that most would consider "welfare". 200,000. And because I have no idea, for chit's and giggles, let's add another 8 million on all those other roles. 800,000 voters. For a total of 1 million.
In the only statistic I could fine, approx. 57% of those polled think that between 5% and 35% of the US population is lazy. We'll use the mean of 20%; and this equals approx. 60 mil. Now, because these people are lazy, let's use 1 in 20 voters who actually make it to the polls, or 3 million voters.
Depending on where I look, I came up with approx 38 million Blacks. Using 1 in 10 for making it to the polls, there were 3.8 million that made it.
Lets see now: 1 mill, plus 3 mill, plus 3.8 mill....7.8 million probably voters. If we use the ratio of 90/10 for Give me/I'll work, that's 7 million votes for Mr. Obama, 800k for Mr. McCain.
Gee, in a 10 million vote race, I'd say 7 mil is signficant. And let's not forget that blacks and other liberal leaning minority groups voted in larger than usual numbers this year.
And as for the 'white working man' vote, how many of those are Union sheep following their leadership?
Face it, this is all a crock of... but the point that's been made repeatedly is that Obama is a taker; he actually believes that redistribution works. He actually believes that people can't take care of themselves. How anyone with a morsel of brain can think that taxing and then turning around and spending it will grow an economy is incomprehensible.
Point made by others here: people have bought into it, and they voted for it. Which equates to LAZY.
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Redistribution.
The percentage numbers are approximates.. The census bureau has not posted results yet, or at least that I have been able to find.
I didn't call you any names.... and berating? Yah, maybe a little harsh... but it was deserved!
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How many voted total? About 120 million total... I am not saying the 7 mil is not significant (less then 10 percent of total vote) , nor that it didn't have a large impact. In a close race, even 1 vote can have an impact. I am trying to say that the common demographics pointed out here as to the reason Obama won, fails to recognize that Obama also had a core of the average white person vote too...
I don't know... but you seem to think that they are a very large percentage of people that voted for Obama?
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It must be noted that, we are not automatically doomed. We just have to recognize when we are heading down this road, and take actions to correct it, before it is too late.
Might be best to wait until after his second term to pass judgment then..
Not even the free ice cream will matter then!
This guy isn't even in office yet and he's making plans to put NASA under control of the Pentegon. So we'll have a dead Automotive industry and now a severly wounded Areospace as well. Who's next?
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Obama bought the vote--No question about it!! Now will he pay for the ice cream
Ruffy--how many presidents have you even been around for--3? Liberal voice there buddy!! You blame congress for all that is happening--Democrat controled
Vote--52% obama
48% mccain
Monies spent for campaign:
McCain--100,000,000
Obama-1,000,000,000
10 times as much as mccain and got 4% more of the vote
Your right. And, the republicans better get off their cans, raise some cash, and get a really great person lined up for 2012. There's no excuse for being beat by Obama. This country used to fight socialism, now it's becoming one.
