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Cheated on my Assault today...

I went and demoed the 2013 Ski Doos this morning. It truly was cheating, since I have no intention of selling my Assault (2012 with the 5.1 track) and buying a new sled. Pretty much just curiosity of how the XM is different from the XP and straight desire to ride brand new sleds for free. Spent most of the day on a 154, but did dabble with both the 146 and 163 for a bit. First, my observations are mine and are of course subject to my biases. I say them with utmost respect for Ski-Doo riders, and do not mean any of this as a bashing.

We did find some trees and a couple good slopes with 10-14" of untracked fluff, so it wasn't all hardpacked riding, though far from what we all dream of.

First off, I had a preconception that the Doo made a ton more power. Didn't feel like it to me. I am not at all picky about clutching, but I could feel the difference and inferiority of the Doo clutching versus my Assault, which is bone stock. Now, the Doo is hauling around more weight and is spooling up a heavier track, so that does negate some of the power advantage. As to the weight, you do not notice the weight when riding it, as many have said. But I laid it over a little too far in a meadow and tipping it back up sure made me feel the weight.

On to handling, my least important complaint was the god awful trail manners. My Assault is no picnic on trails, but a pleasure comparatively. In the trees, I was able to pick lines very nicely. Same thing climbing. But the XP issues are still lurking under there. The sled will start going up on edge easily, and will balance well at that initial point where I'm guessing the T-motion and flex track are helping you. But go farther to where you need to be to sidehill or carve, and the propensity to either level out or flop over is still there like on the XP. (Bad flashbacks to my XP days) Definitely not the awesome stability of my Assault on edge. I got on one sidehill that was steep enough that I paneled (and running-boarded) out. (It should be noted that I am far from extreme) One final handling note, the sweet spot for your feet is still about a foot behind the driveshaft on the XM, whereas the Pro chassis is fine with your feet under the foothooks, meaning that I can carve the Pro a lot easier in almost any conditions without jumping side to side.

All in all, it made me love my Assault even more. Although, I did have a good time. The XM is a good sled and maybe all my complaints are due to not being familiar with it. If you're on the fence about waht you are going to snowcheck, try to demo one. You probably will like it. It's just not my cup of tea.
 
I also spent some time on a 2013 XM 163" over this past trip and I had similar experiences as you did. I currently ride a 2011 RMK 155" with a 2013 motor, B&M Boards, Pro Shocks, and Carls clutching.

I was very impressed with the power of the XM, going uphill that thing was a rocketship. However, comming back down the hill was complete chaos, I didn't feel that the braking on the XM was anywhere near satisfactory. I was riding snow that was 2' of fresh.

As with the XP, the XM is worse in the fact that you feel like you are going to fall off the front of the sled. The nose is so stubby and the angle of the tunnel feels like with the slightest bump you could end up over the bars in a second.

If I could have spent the time and set the sled up to how I would have wanted it as far as handlebars and whatnot goes it may have been a different story. I may be in the market for a new sled next year and after riding this XM I will surely not be getting one of them.

Chad
 
Same thing here. Good power...handles better than an xp...but still terrible to carve and side hill.
 
I've tried a buddies XM. Definitely gets on it's side better than the XP. Power is impressive but as someone else stated, it doesn't seem like more than the Pro. People say the Pro has 140 and the XM has 163. If that's the case the XM should walk all over the Pro with 23 extra HP. No way.

The XM does get on it's side better but reminds me of my Dragon 800. Feels like it washes out where the Pro is more narrow for that task. The balance point is different than the Pro and I'm not sure if I like it. Maybe I would get used to it. At the end of the day a buddy and I both agreed that it seems Doo is forcing the XP to be something else by adding XM stuff to it. It's still the same style chassis as the XM with fix it stuff to make it work better.

Not bashing the sled, I'd like to have one next to my Pro in the garage. But if I chose one sled it is my '13 Pro.
 
Rode my buddies XM over the last two days and had my 13 PRO out too. Highmarking, the XM seemed to have a little edge but not as much as you would think for the extra 23 HP. The thing that was hard to get used to was the unpredictability of the XM. I think it just wants to dart around, instead of hold a line. All in all, night and day over the XP for sure. Flickable? yes, Predictable, no.
 
My good buddy just picked up a 13' XM-SP 154" and has done some clutching and has a GGB Can on it. I have spent some decent time on it both in deep snow and crusty hard-pack. I have compared back to back with my 2013 Pro 800 155 with the same mods, clutching and a can. Things I noticed:
-The XM does have more top end power, we drag raced on flat ground and we were dead even until around 50mph and the xm started to walk away.
-The pro's power band and throttle response seems to be snappier off engagement. The XM seems to need rev up to get into the power band, but once there, it has a longer power band than a pro.
-The XM Loves to wheelie. While I am partial to a sled that is "lively", this can make it have a slight disadvantage to the pro. We also dragged raced up a hill, he was on the pro, and I was on the XM. We pinned from a dead stop, the XM literally cat-walked the whole way up the hill. The pro picked the skis off the ground briefly, but quickly leveled out and picked up speed and won by quite a margin (wasn't even a comparison)
-The XM does have a slight more tendency to want to go back on the skis when trying to sidehill on hard pack snow than the pro. But its still a very easy sled to ride.
-In deep powder it is a very capable sled, very easy to throw around and effortless. It does seems to trench more than a pro and doesn't pop out of the snow like a pro does when you get stuck.
-Steering is easier on the XM and the throttle pull is easier.
-No toe hooks on the XM. I really use these on the pro...
-Running boards are wider on the XM, but the pro's are more rigid which is very nice.
-The steering still dips some on the XM, I still prefer the linear steering of the pro.
-I didn't notice the weight while riding it. It truly is a great machine, and IMO you couldn't go wrong with either a pro or an XM. It is a fun sled to ride!
Hope this helps, my friend absolutely loves his XM and he came from riding a 11' pro for the past two seasons if that's worth anything.
 
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gonna be cheating on my girl (155 assault) next weekend but she'll be there hope she doesn't get upset....Buddy has the 154XM and gonna run it for a full day to see what i really think about it...I rode it for 2min the first time and i wanted the Assault back...This time i wanna give it a fair shot because debating to get another Poo or go to Doo...
 
I noticed the same with the xm, I had the opportunity to try a 12 m800 sno pro, 13 xm 146, 13 xm 154 , 13 pro rmk 155 and my 12 assault head to head. The 146 xm is insane itll walk everywhere atleast the 154 you can sumwhat tame it, I thought the power was incredible outa the doo, the cat was boring to me, the 13 pro is better than my assault feels way tighter and i dono nicer?

I found my assault to be a slug since i purchased it this fall, I had it stall going into reverse multiple times then found the tps thread on here, Reset the tps base and idle, swapped my belt with the new spare (since I have 550 miles on this yr) I took it for a field burn and it seems night an day.
 
I have some associates from northern AB that I meet once a year for 3 - 4 day trip..... they are all die hard doo guys, have never owned anything but. There are a couple new Doo's in the mix one being an XM so I let them take my 13 Pro for a few pulls.... long story short.... the XM owner wanted to trade sleds straight across!!!

nuff said!!!
 
You guys that are comparing sleds should take a 13 Kitty for a spin. Definitely turned my head. Very capable on the slopes and totally b!tchin down a beat up trail.
 
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