Carbide Choices With New Timbersled Ski

[Frostbite]

I have the new 2014 ski with the tunnel skag down the center and two standard round skags on the outer edges of the ski.

I know the ski is made for the powder but, I noticed going down the trail back to the truck that every once in a while, the front end would wash out going around corners. I guess I was maybe finding the grip limits of the ski but, I couldn't help but think that if I had the tunnel type skags on the outer edges of the ski as well as the center, the front end would track more positively and wouldn't be washing out in corners.

Is there some truth to that?

 

[portgrinder]

Some nice ideas here.

I think the center one does 90pct of the work.

If you're in a corner leaned over far enough to need the runners on the side of the ski, the snow is good enough that I think anything will work.

 

[sidehillsam]

Dual Carbide

Dual runner does not mean dual carbide, unless you are talking about 9-Miler'
s. Very pleased with this true dual carbide.

 

[snowbikekits.com]

Anything may work to a certain extent. There are definitely advantages to the triple point though. Take a look at the outside runner on the ski - they hardly ever touch the ground. The center keel is what is steering your machine be it on hard pack or in the deep snow. The height of the triple point is within .015" of the DT when new, but if you compare the profile as it goes straight line through the snow there is a lot less drag/resistance from the triple point carbide. The height of the wear bar + carbide in the triple point is 5/8", which is withing .015" of the dual track runner.

The bottom line is that the triple point is the best carbide/skeg/runner for TS kit I have tried. I will go so far as to put a satisfaction guarantee on the triple point skeg to back it up. If you buy one and don't like the way it performs, send it back usps priority mail for a full refund within 14 days from the day you receive it.

Mike at snowbikekits.com

 

[Frostbite]

I like the idea of the Ninemiler dual carbide skag in the center and the triple points on each outer edge of the ski.

I think that would give you the best of both worlds.

I'm still not 100% sure if all the skags are interchangeable so, I have to ask Mr. Snowbikekits, do your skags fit the outer position on these skis?

 

[snowbikekits.com]

Triple Point carbide skegs are designed for use in the center keel of the ski. The company I work with, Bergstrom Skegs has been around a long time and knows what it takes to make a machine perform and where the carbide is best placed. He does not build dually style wear bars. You already have decent carbides on the outside of the ski - Scott's analysis was that nothing would be gained with more carbide on the outside of the ski. 6" triple point down the middle with the stockers on the outside is a set up that works.

The other thing to do is to shim your ski. I tried it on my sled and it worked, I tried it on my bike and that works too. I'll post more on that soon.

 

[Jimb]

Could you run some type of outrigger a few inches out on each side of the ski for the trail that either folds up on each side or comes off once up top?

 

[9Miler]

We played the single carbide game last yr, with the new ski it almost made you want to give up snow biking when riding down the trail. When TS came up with the half pipe it made it fun to ride. the problem was spring riding on dirt to get to the snow destroyed the half pipe one ride and it was wore out. I dont ride in the flat lands pretty much all mountains out here, dual carbide seems to work very well, you can turn the bike on ice, dirt ,snow, pavement, lets you go down the packed trail without having to white knuckel it, handles ruts in the trail extremely well, doesnt wearout riding on dirt sections of road or crossing creeks, and holds up when you hit a granite boulder. The taper in the front helps you go over objects instead of you going over the bars. Before I settled on this design I made carbides out of a Bergstrom , Woodies, redid the carbides off a 6" Simmons ski into a dual configuration I made alot of different carbide configurations, The dual I am marketing seemed to work the best. It is Stud Boys design I buy his bar and carbides and fabrication I do. This design rocks will not get stuck in it.

 

[mnsnowhawk]

We played the single carbide game last yr, with the new ski it almost made you want to give up snow biking when riding down the trail. When TS came up with the half pipe it made it fun to ride. the problem was spring riding on dirt to get to the snow destroyed the half pipe one ride and it was wore out. I dont ride in the flat lands pretty much all mountains out here, dual carbide seems to work very well, you can turn the bike on ice, dirt ,snow, pavement, lets you go down the packed trail without having to white knuckel it, handles ruts in the trail extremely well, doesnt wearout riding on dirt sections of road or crossing creeks, and holds up when you hit a granite boulder. The taper in the front helps you go over objects instead of you going over the bars. Before I settled on this design I made carbides out of a Bergstrom , Woodies, redid the carbides off a 6" Simmons ski into a dual configuration I made alot of different carbide configurations, The dual I am marketing seemed to work the best. It is Stud Boys design I buy his bar and carbides and fabrication I do. This design rocks will not get stuck in it.

Are you selling your dual carbide? If so, can we get your pricing and how to get one.

 

[portgrinder]

Well it looks like I wasted $140 on the new half pipe runner.

Ski was washing out all over the place on the trail today.

In the pow it felt like it was plugging up and really holding me back from getting any speed going.

Single runner is back on for tomorrow.

 

[snowbikekits.com]

Here is Bergstrom's website if you want to read up on the Triple Points. He also has a ton of knowledge on the history f traction products - some good reading.

http://www.bergstromskegs.com/oui/triple_announcement.html

PS - I SHIP TO CANADA!

 

[Jimb]

This discussion around the ski is exactly what is holding me back from building a snowbike. We ride in 12 miles on trail a couple places, I think fighting the front end would be very tiring.

 

[snowbikekits.com]

This discussion around the ski is exactly what is holding me back from building a snowbike. We ride in 12 miles on trail a couple places, I think fighting the front end would be very tiring.

Have you ridden a snowbike? Don't let the front end stop you - there are solutions for the front end and the bikes are a lot of fun!

 

[teal_210]

This discussion around the ski is exactly what is holding me back from building a snowbike. We ride in 12 miles on trail a couple places, I think fighting the front end would be very tiring.

They are incredibly easy to ride on the trail now, dont worry about it.

 

[thejean]

Honestly, when there is any amount of reasonably soft snow (like I'm talking less than 2") trails are fun! I love ripping down em, leaning into corners, skipping over whoops and getting decent air off of some of the bigger bumps. I was with some pretty competent sledders a few weeks ago and they had no hope of keeping up on the trails. It truly was like dirt biking in the summer with quads, that was the gap. And I am only a third season dirt biker and second season snowbiker. There were seasoned snowmobilers on newer 800 and 900 machines.

Anyway, back on topic - I have the tunnel style in the middle and it is way better than the single middle carbide but I do find it harder to turn now. I also moved the ski back as far as possible to get that 'caster wheel' effect which helps it track straighter.

 

[portgrinder]

I got a U runner with one ride on it for sale if anyone wants it. Still paint on it

It ain't working for me.

$50. Either Edmonton or Revy.

 

[snowbikekits.com]

I finally got a chance to ride groomed trails on my SX kit - the Bergstrom Triple point works as good as I thought it would!

I also tricked a friend of mine into comparing the two - first he unknowingly rode my 2009 YZ450 ST demo bike with the stock Dual Track skeg - while he did some work on my trailer I swapped the skeg to the Bergstrom Triple Point - my buddy said it was a huge improvement - another friend put his on his Husaberg 570 ST and he texted me "That carbide is the s**t dude!" ... "It's impressive how 6 inches of carbide can make that (riding) such a pleasant experience compared to before". Triple points work great on the trail or in the back country!

 

[Dslftr]

I tried the snowbikekit.com triple runner and works awesome on the trail and the deep stuff.Its a huge improvement over timbersleds runner that hangs up on everything.When we got into wet heavy snow it was much easier to steer than the timbersled.

 

[snowbikekits.com]

Thanks for the feedback on the Triple Point! Much appreciate - please check back at the end of the season if you don't mind!

 

[snowbikekits.com]

Springtime is a great time to try the triple point $99 shipped with the two week satisfaction guarentee or $85 shipped for end of season sale! Quantities are limited. Links will be set up in my store tomorrow am.


Mike at snowbikekits.com