Car and Driver maybe the end of the us auto industry
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thats because we make crap, japs ARE the best cars on the road. ask any auto mechanic what he works on the most, he will say domestics.
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Regretfully,I have to agree with ^^^^ him.
Sorry, Buick was just picked as the most reliable and trouble free car made, I always smile when I drive by an import sitting on the shoulder of the road with the hood up when I'm driving my 97 Tahoe with 190,000 miles on it and never been touched.
If People would just quit being brain washed by the CASH Biased Freeking media! Look into Ford Lincon Mercurys, they have surpassed the Toyota! Besides, If we support our own, they will have larger budgets and build better products. If GM has to cut every corner to survive and be the "LOW COST MANUFACTURER" WTF do you think is going to be the result?
Take a Second and educate yourself about how your car choice affects your friends neighbors and country! Don't snap to judgments read the FACTS!
http://jobspercar.com/
Take a Second and educate yourself about how your car choice affects your friends neighbors and country! Don't snap to judgments read the FACTS!
http://jobspercar.com/
I was kicking tires this Winter on half ton pickups and had it narrowed down to the Sierra or Tundra. I've always thought GMC was an upgrade from the Chev and it's what I've had since the mid 90's. The Toyota is an incredible p-up, sucks a little more gas but with a Borla system and a supercharger you've got a 4 by Corvette. It would bother me to buy a jap car right now because I feel it would best to support our own beat-up economy but the GM's are made in Canada and the Toyota in Texas. I probably won't buy either right now but it's tough to know where you're dollar is going.
4N cars are crap IMO. Never owned one and never will. When you actually dig into them and see how they are put together the american cars are a lot better.
Oh and as for the new tundra, They get the worst mpg out of all the 1/2 tons, handle and ride like chit and got the lowest pssible score in the crash test to be able to pass
Oh and as for the new tundra, They get the worst mpg out of all the 1/2 tons, handle and ride like chit and got the lowest pssible score in the crash test to be able to pass
Haven't owned one either but my point was in deciding what's foreign, the Texas built truck with the Jap logo or the Canadian built truck with the GM logo?
lol, i guess trying to tell the "american made loyal" that domestic is crap is hard to do when thier head is in the clouds. Someone owns a POS Tahoe that has 190k and they are bragging? thats just called luck! Nobody with an import brags about having 190k on thier cars. you guys need to stop believing what is written in mags and actually go talk to a few mechanics. If anyone would know what is best and worst it would be a mechanic. Im saying this and i am a chevy guy, but also love my toyotas.
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I'm in the process of buying my wife a "new to her car". I can buy an 04 lexus for under $20k that still has warranty. Any of the old big 3 offer that? Not to my knowledge. I still continue to drive chevy trucks for work, will continue to do so until I can afford a toyota. My son just got an 88 supra with 100kms (60k miles) and everything on it works. Been buying our north american brands now for about 30 years and I'm tired of eating their sh!t sandwiches. Kinda like watching a farmer buy his 1st green tractor or combine. You pay more for that color of paint the 1st time, but at least you have some resale in a few years. At least kodoos to ford for at least knowing how to run a company, not my brand, but I will still consider buying one of their products. My .02
The domestics really disappointed me when gas prices shot up, there they were again, without any meaningful automobiles to offer.
BTW, I love my F350, but I'll never own a Ranger again.
BTW, I love my F350, but I'll never own a Ranger again.
who can honestly say that a GM or ford car is on the same level as the honda toyota or nissan. no way brand for brand maybe one particular model but not all.
would you buy a pontiac with 150K miles? or an accord with 175K miles....
as for trucks if you need to pull heavy the american is your real only choice.
If toyota built a 1 ton......
Not saying we cant build a good or better car, but the management and bean counters wouldnt let that happen, they have to watch overhead/profit margins and deal with the Unions not to mention line their pockets (too deep). Do you think the minimum wage earner for foreign cars makes $54/hr like they do at Chevy. What about the average wage of $72/hr? would you screw lug nuts on a car for that?
In addition GM/chrysler/ford offer way too many models and options to be profitable. why do you need 70 variations of cars each year?
Look at honda they made their bread and butter selling six cars the accord (DX/LX/LXI) both 2 door and 4 door in about 10 colors. those cars put them at the very top of the food chain, look at Toyota (celica, corrola, camery). Nissan (sentra, maxima, ultima) same stories! The us manufactures at the same time were putting out the worst cars in history with many many models of crap to choose from! smart is smart.
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would you buy a pontiac with 150K miles? or an accord with 175K miles....
as for trucks if you need to pull heavy the american is your real only choice.
If toyota built a 1 ton......
Not saying we cant build a good or better car, but the management and bean counters wouldnt let that happen, they have to watch overhead/profit margins and deal with the Unions not to mention line their pockets (too deep). Do you think the minimum wage earner for foreign cars makes $54/hr like they do at Chevy. What about the average wage of $72/hr? would you screw lug nuts on a car for that?
In addition GM/chrysler/ford offer way too many models and options to be profitable. why do you need 70 variations of cars each year?
Look at honda they made their bread and butter selling six cars the accord (DX/LX/LXI) both 2 door and 4 door in about 10 colors. those cars put them at the very top of the food chain, look at Toyota (celica, corrola, camery). Nissan (sentra, maxima, ultima) same stories! The us manufactures at the same time were putting out the worst cars in history with many many models of crap to choose from! smart is smart.
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I'm sorry, I'm sure you must be an expert about "POS" by looking at your sig line, LMAO.
The sense of entitlement in the domestics will be their demise.From the CEO who thinks he deserves million dollar bonuses to the assembly worker who feels he needs $75 an hour to do his job.THAT is the problem.You can only pull so much profit out of a vehicle before the public decides it's not worth what you're charging and goes elsewhere.They did this to themselves.
My friend took his fiance to a plant, somewhere, he lived in Colorado at the time, to tour it.
This was when the compaines were really begging for their bailout, back last fall I believe. Well, they saw a guy lifting and inspecting bumpers coming of the line. He would pick one out of about 10 and look it over, before placing it with the rest of them in the boxes.
Derrick's girlfriend didn't know a whole lot about the auto industry, but she knew it was failing. So Derrick pointed out the worker and said, "That's a big part of the reason this industry is failing." "That worker is earning upwards of $60 an hour, just to inspect one out of every ten parts."
His girlfriend looked at him and said, "There have to be 1000 people in this square mile that would do that for minimum wage. Why does he deserve that much money?"
Derrick, "I don't know, I just don't know."
That may sound made up, but I know both of those folks, and I can guarantee you that was the dialog between them. The problem is much deeper than just the tabloids preaching imports, it goes far into the way the big 3 are run.
This was when the compaines were really begging for their bailout, back last fall I believe. Well, they saw a guy lifting and inspecting bumpers coming of the line. He would pick one out of about 10 and look it over, before placing it with the rest of them in the boxes.
Derrick's girlfriend didn't know a whole lot about the auto industry, but she knew it was failing. So Derrick pointed out the worker and said, "That's a big part of the reason this industry is failing." "That worker is earning upwards of $60 an hour, just to inspect one out of every ten parts."
His girlfriend looked at him and said, "There have to be 1000 people in this square mile that would do that for minimum wage. Why does he deserve that much money?"
Derrick, "I don't know, I just don't know."
That may sound made up, but I know both of those folks, and I can guarantee you that was the dialog between them. The problem is much deeper than just the tabloids preaching imports, it goes far into the way the big 3 are run.
I am not a mechanic but I am an auto body technician. I can tell you a Japanese car will be my last choice. The paint is terrible (dull, thin, dead metalic, and generally cracks over time when under severe heat) the metal has no zinc coating it tends to rust faster when scratched. The body parts are put together to be assembled fast on the assembly line but not ment to ever come apart without breaking. If you try to take out a body bolt after two years you are more than likely breaking it because it has rusted in. Sorry for my .02 but I believe a lot have people are brain washed into believing they are the best autos.
ya lets talk about paint.......remeber the GM and Dodge paint in the 90s and the giant recall fiasco? I worked as a grunt in a body shop when i was out of highschool. my main job besides sweeping the floor and washing cars was to peel the paint off of GMs and Dodges with a razor blade. the paint was soo bad it that it took zero effort to get the paint off those cars. I also remeber a few fords in for the same thing. We did at least 4-5 GM vehicles a week for the entire 2yrs i worked there, Dont remember how many mopiles and fords we did but it wasnt quite as many. As for the construction of auto i dont think they assembled with ease of disassembly in mind, they are put together to save lives pretty much. the cars that are genuinely easy to come appart are most likely the ones where people get killed in accidents. just .02
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