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Canadian health care system going boom.

FDA is slower but only by 30 - 120 days.

Your example is only for BIO-technoligies. That is not all pharmaceuticals. The quote I posted is newer then yours, and is also talking all pharmaceuticals into account.

Again, the FDA is FASTER then Europe.. Give it up man! :p

As for the price difference, how do you define gouging? What about all the differences between US and Canadian prices.. Saying there are methodologies to limit this does not mean that it does not exist....

Another point for me? :p

As to the schools and information.. I think you are looking for any reason to blame the government on that one. In this one, you lose again. The govt does not set the standards.. the AAMC and the Liaison Committee on Medical Education does...

Medical School Accreditation..

AAMC - Medical Schools information

Liaison Committee on Medical Education..

:beer;
 
he did, and tried, and it failed....

Thank you, at least someone understood the situation.

I'd like to see these thousands of BS medical malpractice lawsuits. I think commenting on them without reading/knowing each case is troublesome and clumping them all into BS is naive. Most medical malpractice atty's only accept about 10% of the actual complaints due to the overall odds stacked against them.

As for the overall health care debate, I know one thing, if i hear the phrase,"We're a Christian nation" one more time, I'll PUKE!!! My interpretation of Christianity and what I'm seeing is total hypocrisy.

I guess we should be happy with ranking 38th overall in the world in health care. I guess we should be happy when prior to 2007, almost 50% of bankruptcy's were a result of someone making the mistake of getting sick and most were because someone's health insurance company rejected their claim. I guess we should all be happy that we outspend all other country's on health care. Sure makes our country look great when we go oversee's for our health care.

My Dad's asthma inhalers cost $120 here and $15 in Mexico? Doesn't matter who's fault this is. IT'S WRONG!! CASE CLOSED!!!

No wonder everyone is so upset!!
 
Here ruffy, your ama.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/medical.html

diamonddave
You say they only take 10% of the cases, I don't know haven't researched it at all, so I will take your word for it.

However, it costs 3 - 5 times more to defend against a claim than to accuse and if you lose you will lose BIG. I have personal experience on the other side of the fence. A good friend of mine was a doctor (notice I said was). He was seud by a moron who claimed he had incredible pain after a surgery. My friend won the case because he had video of the guy playing volley ball in the yard with his kids. The case was total BS, However, it cost him so much to defend against it, he gave up the profession. He has 7 such lawsuits in 2 years. It finanically destroyed him. All of them were total BS, didn't make a difference, he still had to defend against them.
 
all i know is that we pay 11 bucks more for a pack of cigs...and 5 bucks for a gallon of gas and three times more for booze and alot more for groceries...so the bottom line is that MY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS COSTING ME A FRIGGIN FORTUNE...!!!!!!
 
Dave, with what you posted I cannot believe your case was dismissed, I have seen a woman sue a doctor when she turned her ankle at boeing and claimed the doctor screwed up and she was in constant pain. If they had fol;lowed her around with a camara they would never have prevailed as she had no problem with the ankle and used it mainly to get her percocet etc. She did prevail and got a bunch of money and more drugs. Your lawyer must not have been very good with direct evidence of malpractice, nevertheless I hope you are in better shape. But don't let your experience cause you to expect all doctors are that unethical. With that in mind tort reform does not mean those seriously injured will not be compensated as it does not effect costs, medical costs, loss of income, rehabilitation it only caps the "pain and suffering""punitive" awards and would not effect a suit such as you filed. Swampy:(:mad:

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Ollie, once the other DR. found the tube, I went back to the original DR that made the mistake. I explicitly asked him to do the surgery for free and that's when he told me he couldn't for reasons stated in my first post. Had he done the surgery for free, I would've went on my marry way. So I had to PAY that DR to remove it that's when I went to an attorney. I understand that surgeries are 50/50, but where I come from if you make a mistake, then you're responsible.

I realize DR.'s are not GOD and it's because they're NOT GOD that they should be held to the same standards as the rest of the population. With the laws that are in place at least in this state, they are above the law.
 
Canada's healthcare system isn't perfect, but it's a LOT better then most countries, including USA. Sure, wait times are high and the system is so innefficient it's not even funny, but if you need something you'll eventully get it done and not go bankrupt. I have no problem with private hospitals and paying for what you need, but I also realize how much worse the system could be.

Doctors are on a WIDE range of spectrum. Lots are in it for the money, they don't give a CRAP about any patients. Then there are the ones who actually care, and try to help people. Like anything the bad ruin it for the good. To many stupid lawsuits hurt good ones, but there is always the flipside with corrupt doctors.

Either way, I know I don't have any power to change the healthcare system so I just don't care. I never have any problems and take care of myself just fine, so I have no plans to be visiting a hospital anytime soon, been over 15 years so not affecting me to much....

But soon I will be working in it, hopefully I don't regret it....
 
Dave, with what you posted I cannot believe your case was dismissed, I have seen a woman sue a doctor when she turned her ankle at boeing and claimed the doctor screwed up and she was in constant pain. If they had fol;lowed her around with a camara they would never have prevailed as she had no problem with the ankle and used it mainly to get her percocet etc. She did prevail and got a bunch of money and more drugs. Your lawyer must not have been very good with direct evidence of malpractice, nevertheless I hope you are in better shape. But don't let your experience cause you to expect all doctors are that unethical. With that in mind tort reform does not mean those seriously injured will not be compensated as it does not effect costs, medical costs, loss of income, rehabilitation it only caps the "pain and suffering""punitive" awards and would not effect a suit such as you filed. Swampy:(:mad:

Yes and no. I've lived with the pain and suffering as a result of the hack DR for the last 17 years and currently go the UW pain center once or twice a month hoping some new technology or procedure comes out that may make tomorrow a pain free day. According to 2 other orthapedic surgeons, the drain tube caused nerve and tissue damage, however this they would only tell you in person, not on record in a deposition. If anyone has any doubt as to my case, I'd be more than happy to send you the info.

My case came to this...the judge wanted 2 DR's to say that leaving a drain tube was medical malpractice. My attorney showed prior case law where (3 WASH state cases) where leaving foreign objects in the body IS malpractice. The other DR's sold me down the river for the hack DR so case was dismissed with prejudice.

Never made to trial.

I don't have this notion that ALL DR's are hacks, my point is is that I think we can't allow these guys to have an open field on patients due to guys like the one I was fortunate enough to find.
 
Here ruffy, your ama.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/medical.html

Great article, it is time we did 2 things to help everyone get the right medical care.
1. Elimanate the FDA, its is nothing more than a tool of Big Drug Companies!!
2. Tort reform caping "Punitive" awards as was done in Texas.

Tort reform has led to improvements in the Texas business climate that
have generated hundreds of thousands of jobs. Specifically, TPG found
that
• The total impact of tort reforms implemented since 1995
includes gains of $112.5 billion in spending each year as
well as almost 499,000 jobs in the state.
• The reforms with respect to asbestos/silica litigation,
which were enacted in 2005, are already contributing
$490.3 million in annual spending and 2,683 permanent
jobs.
• Reforms related to limiting non-economic damages in
medical malpractice litigation alone lead to increases of
$55.3 billion in spending per year and more than 223,000
jobs.
• Benefits are spread across the state, positively affecting
communities both large and small. Results are provided
for the state as well as every county, metropolitan statistical
“Tort reform has led to
improvements in the Texas
business climate that have
generated hundreds of
thousands of jobs.”
A Texas Turnaround: The Impact of Lawsuit Reform on Business Activity in the Lone Star State
4 perrymangroup.com
© 2008 by The Perryman Group
area, council of governments region, planning region, and
legislative district.
• The fiscal stimulus to the State from civil justice reforms
is about $2.558 billion per year.
• Other positive benefits include an increase in the number of
doctors, particularly in rural areas and other regions, which
have been facing severe shortages and the inclusion of
almost 430,000 Texans in health plans who would
otherwise be uninsured.

There is evidence that the US tort system is expensive by international
standards. The United States spends 2.2% of its
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on direct tort costs.
Other advanced countries with viable market
economies spend an average of 0.9% of GDP on
direct tort costs. Since 1950, tort cost growth has exceeded GDP growth
by an average of two to three percentage points.1
These excess expenditures reduce the competitiveness of American
businesses. They also increase corporate incentives to locate factories
elsewhere where there are more reasonable tort environments.
As noted, an efficient and effect system of civil justice is an important and,
indeed, essential aspect of a properly functioning economy and society.
In addition, those harmed through improper actions are entitled to recover
their losses. However, the US tort system returns less than 50 cents of
every tort-cost dollar to injured claimants and only 22 cents to awards for
“…the US tort system is
expensive by international
standards.”
A Texas Turnaround: The Impact of Lawsuit Reform on Business Activity in the Lone Star State
7 perrymangroup.com
© 2008 by The Perryman Group
actual economic losses.2 (Using the broader measure in the Pacific
Research Institute study, less than 15% of aggregate costs reflect such
compensations.)
 
Too many adminitards and not enough doctors, nurses and assistants.
Your so right! Many of our DR. and nurses go south for better $$ thus hurting US Dr's and Nurses and hitting us equally as hard. Every year US hospitals set up job fairs in our cities and schools.
 
I don't think the right wingers have anything to worry about. The demofags are doing what they always do...CAVE IN!!

It's over.
 
Here ruffy, your ama.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/medical.html

diamonddave
You say they only take 10% of the cases, I don't know haven't researched it at all, so I will take your word for it.

However, it costs 3 - 5 times more to defend against a claim than to accuse and if you lose you will lose BIG. I have personal experience on the other side of the fence. A good friend of mine was a doctor (notice I said was). He was seud by a moron who claimed he had incredible pain after a surgery. My friend won the case because he had video of the guy playing volley ball in the yard with his kids. The case was total BS, However, it cost him so much to defend against it, he gave up the profession. He has 7 such lawsuits in 2 years. It finanically destroyed him. All of them were total BS, didn't make a difference, he still had to defend against them.

Sorry Ollie but it is the other way around. When a DR is being sued, he doesn't have to provide expert witness testimony because in the courts eyes he is the expert and this is the biggest cost to a plantiff in a medical malpractice case. To take a case to trial requires big money.

It usually requires hiring DR's from out of state in order to testify. This is very expensive and in my case between 1993-1995, the only 2 DR's for my type of case had to come from Pennsylvania at a cost of $50,000 minimum. As a 20 someting adult, I couldn't afford this especially after racking up credit cards to pay the DR just to remove the damn tube.

Does it/and should it take an expert DR let alone 2 expert DR's to testify that a foreign object left in the body is medical malpractice??
 
Sorry Ollie but it is the other way around. When a DR is being sued, he doesn't have to provide expert witness testimony because in the courts eyes he is the expert and this is the biggest cost to a plantiff in a medical malpractice case. To take a case to trial requires big money.

It usually requires hiring DR's from out of state in order to testify. This is very expensive and in my case between 1993-1995, the only 2 DR's for my type of case had to come from Pennsylvania at a cost of $50,000 minimum. As a 20 something adult, I couldn't afford this especially after racking up credit cards to pay the DR just to remove the damn tube.

Does it/and should it take an expert DR let alone 2 expert DR's to testify that a foreign object left in the body is medical malpractice??

It's such an bunch of bull$hit that you have had to go through this crap and unrelenting pain.

Maybe someone on this site knows a lawyer that can help DD???
 
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