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Calif Enviros shut down farming for smelt. Milk and produce from China?

Idiot Enviros in Calif. got water for farms in the San Joaquin Valley farmland shut off for the "endangered" smelt (minnows). I seriously, truly believe a lot of the people in power in California are mentally ill.

"The man-made actions have been devastating to California's San Joaquin Valley where it is estimated that this year alone up to 35,000 jobs will be lost and 300,000 acres of farm land won't be used because water has been diverted.

Ranking Member Doc Hastings (WA-04) explained, "Communities dependent on irrigated agriculture are now approaching 40% unemployment as they watched over 83 billion gallons of water - which was water normally dedicated to the fields -- go out to the ocean in the last month alone. It's important to protect lands and endangered fish, but our government's environmental policies shouldn't make our communities endangered in the process."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2250404/posts
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"The lawmakers said efforts to protect a 3-inch-long fish, the delta smelt, have led to court-ordered reductions in the amount of water pumped to some farmers in the San Joaquin Valley, leading to fallowed fields and skyrocketing unemployment.

They said even as a drought enters its third year, there is enough water in California to share with the valley's thousands of farms. Their proposal would increase the diversion of water for those farms.

In 2007, a federal judge ordered federal and state water authorities to reduce the amount of water they pump through the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta in a bid to protect the delta smelt. The finger-length fish is considered a bellwether for the health of the delta, the heart of California's water-delivery system...

The shortage could force farmers to idle more than 300,000 acres, leading to a loss of about 37,000 jobs. The delta also feeds drinking water to some 25 million Californians, stretching from the San Francisco Bay area to San Diego. Dozens of cities that expect to get less water from the delta this year are considering conservation measures.

Nunes, in pointed comments to the House committee, described the plight of his constituents in the most dire terms. He said the committee has been silent on the issue for two years.

"Failure to act, and it's over," he said. "You will witness the collapse of modern civilization in the San Joaquin Valley."

With that, he offered to submit a fishbowl filled with nine minnows for the Congressional Record. The fish were rainbow smelt, not the endangered delta smelt, which are illegal to possess without a permit.

Rep. Grace Napolitano, D-Norwalk, responded by asking him to take the plastic wrap off the bowl so the fish could get some air, which Nunes did. Napolitano served as chairwoman for Tuesday's hearing."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12038004
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Comedian Paul Rodriguez is pissed because his family farms there and can't get water because of the dang "endangered" smelt. He voted for Obama and is now becoming disillusioned. He went to Sean Hannity to get word out after dissing him in jokes before. He apologized and said he'd go after Colmes now, LOL!

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com//2009/05/03/paul-rodriguez-the-fish-lives-and-the-farmers-die/
 
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oh, you are both wrong.
We need more of this kind of thing, not less.
why you ask.
Simple.
We have been telling people for years that the enviros have lost their minds and gone completely off the deep end.
By them doing this kind of thing it shows that we are correct and they have have absolutely zero regard for anything or anyone other than their narrow minded views.

The above mentioned action is so far over the deep end of reality that it HAS to force lots of people to ask what they are doing.
 
He should have wrapped the plastic around Grace Napolitano's head.

This is what happens when idealist aren't confronted, at the very beginning. They push until there's nothing left to compromise. I know I'm sadistic, but I really wish a bunch of those ruined farmers would take matters into their own hands.

Some people really need to read the intent of Jefferson, soak it in, an understand the warning he was conveying to the future.
god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure.
--Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to William Smith, Paris Nov. 13. 1787
 
Yes, but unfortunately they won't stop. Too much money backing them. And in the meantime it puts all of those farmers out of business, and many other people out of work. Here's a dumb example: One timber sale in this area- guess how many enviro companies file a lawsuit against it???? Last one was 13!!!! Way too much money being wasted there, they could just give it to us and say don't do what you're doing, we'll pay you. Not that that's ok, but what a waste of everyone's time and millions of dollars!
 
Yes, but unfortunately they won't stop. Too much money backing them.

Heres the fun part.
With the current economy the enviros are finding it hard to find enough donors to continue their campaign of lawyer indused terror.

Their coffers are down over 60 mil.
Now that may not be much given their massive budget, but it keeps them from expanding and forces them to start chosen which battles to fight instead of just jumping on everything that comes their way.
 
Wade, thank you for posting that Jefferson quote. He's a right wing extremist for sure ;)

Here's a perfect example of how absolutely insane a lot of these Left wingers are, spewing hate speech and attacks about topics they are completely ignorant of and making it sound like conservatives are whacked out.

Look at the multitude of comments posted by the crazies in this article that Michelle Bachmann will not be filling out her census except for the # of people in her house because the rest of the questions are illegal.

The ignorance of these militant, hateful lefties is mind boggling and scares the crap out of me because it reminds me of what Hitler was able to accomplish with his brainwashing. He was able to convince the majority of Germans that killing Jews was OK. (Just read an article the other day about my grandfather's 84th Infantry Division rescuing several concentration camps)

Our media is doing the same to these imbiciles, as are our school systems, teaching how evil America is and not teaching the constitution or what our country was founded on.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/18/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5095844.shtml
 
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$5,000 fine for skipping questions on a Census questionaire! Ridiculous. One more way for them to take money from our pockets.
 
I'll prattle on about the situation if you'd like; but most of you would stick needles in your eyes in order to stop reading the incredibly boring shi'ite.

Suffice it to say, I believe that in the end the powers that be at the state love this fighting, because sooner or later they can step in and say "sorry y'all can't get along, but in the name of the benefit of the people of CA we now are taking over everything".

DWR-Dept of Water Resource will have control over all water

DFG- Dept of Fish & Game will control "riparian" lands and what goes on there

CARB- CA Air Resources Board will tell us what to drive and which tractors we can farm with.

DPR - Dept of Pesticide Regulation will tell us what we can use to farm

SWQCB - State Water Quality Control Board will tell us nothing can drain off our land

AQMD - Air Quality Management District will tell us what days we can farm on and what days the tractors have to be parked because of poor air quality.

See I told you that you'd want to poke your eyes out. Don't even ask about permitting a dairy methane digester or a refinery to help with our energy problem. Which by the way, will go away if we would just conserve a little more. Oh and use Cellostic (sp?) ethanol refined here in Cali (see previous sentence) with technology that hasn't been invented yet, but will be because of the huge profits to be made.:rolleyes:

Between the retards that run this state (no offense the mentally challenged) and the retards that run the country the only thing I'm really worried about is the Office of BOHICA. If you are unfamiliar with these people; they are the ones who administer the UFIA program. If you haven't experienced that, then don't worry, the ACORN people with their GPS will eventually get to you.

And one day people will wonder WTF? Yes thats right WTF!? Wheres the Food.:mad:

Betcha can guess what I do for a livin':)


While I'm on a rant - Is it just me or are the folks at the Gov't brilliant. Cut half the nicotene in a pack of smokes then slap an additional tax on it. Brilliant!!!! See, the President said he wanted a transparent government - I see it, don't you. Phillip Morris sells twice the smokes, the government collects 2 times the new higher tax. The stop smoking crowd is happy, PM,Inc. is happy and the G is happy. Remember little piggys, we're going to raise taxes on the rich.:)
 
Only took you fellas 8 years to realize this has been going on? Amazing...

http://klamathbasincrisis.org/

In 2001 all the irrigation water was shut off to 250,000 acres of farmland in the Klamath Basin (S.Oregon, N.Calif) because of an "endangered" sucker fish. I put "endangered" in quotations, as nobody really knows how many of them there are. They are impossible to count as they live where you can't get to them (marshy areas of the lake where the water is under 3' deep and in the mud where you can't catch the things to count them). Anyway, I digress....

It was a miserable time and put a lot of farmers who had no other means out of business. Those who were resourceful, or saved for a rainy day, made it through, but still today they feel the repercussions. It's the reason my Dad sold his 200 acre farm last year, and the reason I'm not a farmer and became an engineer instead. It benefited a few people...most my friends got their first two years of college paid for in full by the US govt (I got books out of the deal as I went to a private school out of state). A lot of people got summer jobs working for the forest service as "retraining" and what not...but all-in-all, it was a bad deal and is still a problem today. The OR house just passed a bill that will help to get the dams removed on the Klamath River, for the salmon, which are also a part of this issue.

Oh, and one guy in particular who benefited was the Klamath County Sheriff, who sat in his car across the street as a group of farmers cut the lock on the headgate fence, went in and torched the headgates open to get water flowing into the canals. His story? "That's federal property...ain't my jurisdiction." Guess who's been re-elected overwhelmingly since? :)
 
We had a young engineer move to Boise from Klamath, right after all that happened. He told us some stories about dynamite and cutting torches. I'm still amazed no one got shot.

Dang Moose, that's a bunch of BS.
 
Right on I remember that incident, need a few more willing to stand up. Swampy:D

Only took you fellas 8 years to realize this has been going on? Amazing...

http://klamathbasincrisis.org/

In 2001 all the irrigation water was shut off to 250,000 acres of farmland in the Klamath Basin (S.Oregon, N.Calif) because of an "endangered" sucker fish. I put "endangered" in quotations, as nobody really knows how many of them there are. They are impossible to count as they live where you can't get to them (marshy areas of the lake where the water is under 3' deep and in the mud where you can't catch the things to count them). Anyway, I digress....

It was a miserable time and put a lot of farmers who had no other means out of business. Those who were resourceful, or saved for a rainy day, made it through, but still today they feel the repercussions. It's the reason my Dad sold his 200 acre farm last year, and the reason I'm not a farmer and became an engineer instead. It benefited a few people...most my friends got their first two years of college paid for in full by the US govt (I got books out of the deal as I went to a private school out of state). A lot of people got summer jobs working for the forest service as "retraining" and what not...but all-in-all, it was a bad deal and is still a problem today. The OR house just passed a bill that will help to get the dams removed on the Klamath River, for the salmon, which are also a part of this issue.

Oh, and one guy in particular who benefited was the Klamath County Sheriff, who sat in his car across the street as a group of farmers cut the lock on the headgate fence, went in and torched the headgates open to get water flowing into the canals. His story? "That's federal property...ain't my jurisdiction." Guess who's been re-elected overwhelmingly since? :)
 
We had a young engineer move to Boise from Klamath, right after all that happened. He told us some stories about dynamite and cutting torches. I'm still amazed no one got shot.

hahaha...I'd forgotten about the dynamite, and the feds on the 24 hour security watch on the dam and the headgates. :) Those were some good times. :D Never saw so many black SUV's around those parts... :cool:
 
I live here . 3 days ago the stanislaus river went up a foot and a half .WTF? It goes thru the delta and into the bay. S.F. The people that voted this in should be last on the list for food rations ( coupons ) when theres not enuf food to go around .
 
Still in the news by losing their own!

William D. Zeranski
Working for the common good is noble, but naïve support of nice-sounding causes can have its drawbacks, as actor and comedian Paul Rodriguez learned the hard way:


In recent months, actor and comedian Paul Rodriguez has made known his defection from the Democratic party (sic) because of the party's lack of interest in helping drought-stricken farmers like himself in California who have had water denied to them by court order under the Endangered Species Act to save an endangered fish, the delta smelt. [...]


"I always saw myself as an environmentalist. ... I've funded many of these things, I guess, because I've performed for them. Every time they call, you go there not really knowing what you're backing, not knowing that those dollars are going to turn around and, and hurt me, hurt those I love the most."


As environmental fantasies, especially Global Warming flummery, trump the needs, not just the wants of humanity, it's good to know there are those, with household names, in Hollywood, who've finally turned the right corner, even if it took an ‘abusive relationship' to do it.
 
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