Boycott List

[zrt1000]

Emailing, writing, or calling these companies is a good FIRST choice. If they hear from masses of people, they may rethink their position a bit.

Instead of a boycott list how about an email list?


300 emails a day might get there attention

 

[CatWoman]

Emailing, writing, or calling these companies is a good FIRST choice. If they hear from masses of people, they may rethink their position a bit.

Instead of a boycott list how about an email list?


300 emails a day might get there attention

Great idea!! Still looking for a good one for Amazon, but here is their Amazon and Our Planet page.

Sandy

 

[SnowSnob]

Hunters too. The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation is a great supporter of the Sierra Club. Awareness is great! Some of the other Fern Fondlers are Barbara Streisand and Robert Redford...how do we compete with their cash flow??

Really? RMEF? I went on their website and couldn't find anything about supporting the SC.
If you can show any hard facts that would help because here in MT A LOT of folks have RMEF license plates.

 

[ericbigbore]

Really? RMEF? I went on their website and couldn't find anything about supporting the SC.
If you can show any hard facts that would help because here in MT A LOT of folks have RMEF license plates.

It's true, keep looking and you will find it. They are an elitist group that supports the closure of more land for wilderness. Spread the word.

One other thing we need to do is clean up the litter and beer cans! If you see someone throwing beer cans in the woods or leaving them in the warming shacks, go ahead and punch that in-breeder in the face as hard as you can and maybe they will get the point.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Really? RMEF? I went on their website and couldn't find anything about supporting the SC.
If you can show any hard facts that would help because here in MT A LOT of folks have RMEF license plates.

Their web site mentions that they partner with multiple conservation groups.
It does not list them all by name but NONE of them support us.
http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HowWeConserve/Protection/

Really, do you honestly think that a group like RMEF wants snowmobile access?

BTW, take a look at the maps that show the lands they have helped "protect". A lot of lost access in MT.

 

[CatWoman]

Really? RMEF? I went on their website and couldn't find anything about supporting the SC.
If you can show any hard facts that would help because here in MT A LOT of folks have RMEF license plates.

Yes, as said above it IS true. It's just publicly advertised because I'm sure they know it would drive down their membership.

 

[CatWoman]

Here

Groups whose leadership and membership often belong to Sierra Club and Nature Conservancy include Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation (whose strategy echo's Nature Conservancy's... buy land for the benefit of elk), various state Trout organizations, and National Wild Turkey Foundation. Hundreds of thousands of dues-paying members, fyi.

The Nature Conservancy , links on page, including Trout Unlimited and Ducks Unlimited.

For Keith Lenard—who worked for the Conservancy before going to the Elk Foundation—the two groups started in different parts of the conservation world, and traveled paths that inevitably converged. “I look at the creation of the Conservancy in the 1950s, when hunters were still the driving force of conservation—really the only force,” he says. “Then land trusts like the Conservancy created a whole new model, and started to lead the hunters along to where we are now.”

From the sporting groups’ perspective, the Conservancy opens a lot of doors as well. “The Conservancy has great green credentials,” says Steve Moyer, a vice president at Trout Unlimited. Furthermore, smaller organizations like Trout (with approximately 150,000 members) can’t begin to tap into the kinds of money the Conservancy brings to projects. Moyer notes, for example, that in a joint $50 million effort to remove dams from Maine’s Penobscot River—an important spawning and nursery ground for endangered Atlantic salmon—Trout Unlimited is largely relying on the Conservancy’s expertise in raising money from state and federal agencies.

To be sure, there will always be issues on which some conservationists and hunters disagree—such as the protection of big carnivores and regulations such as the Endangered Species Act.

But it’s possible to bridge the divide, says Gary Kania, who until recently was the Conservancy’s liaison with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and now works with the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. “There are enough goals that are the same,” says Kania, who has also worked for the National Rifle Association. “The NRA is not the Conservancy, but the NRA represents a lot of hunters, and what do hunters want, primarily? They want habitat for wildlife. We may disagree about other things, but we can argue about that later. First, we can use our common goals to leverage resources and get things done now.”

The Sierra Club’s Semcer knows there are differences in how environmentalists and hunters view the world, but says, “I’d ask people on either side, ‘Do we have the luxury of questioning people’s motives who want to preserve the natural world?’”

“We are at a point in history where the stakes are way high,” says Semcer, “and if we don’t trust each other, we all lose.”

Sierra Club partner with RMEF

Spurred by blatant congressional attacks on America's natural resources, environmentalists are setting aside past differences with hunters and anglers and working together to defend wild lands and habitat from timber and oil companies, mining conglomerates and irresponsible developers.

More than 100,000 Sierra Club members - better than one out of six - are active hunters and anglers dedicated to continuing the sporting tradition through public land conservation. Considering that more than 50 million Americans fish and 15 million hunt, such a coalition makes sense. Most recently, alliances such as Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, run by elk hunters, and the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, run by a former National Audubon Society lobbyist, have protected or restored 1.8 million acres north of Yellowstone National Park.

Trout Unlimited has been another powerful force in not only conserving public lands from the threats of grazing reform and irresponsible forestry practices, but preserving the Endangered Species and Clean Water acts. "What has made Trout Unlimited so successful is that it is run by people who are not just sportsmen or environmentalists, but both, " wrote Ted Williams in the September/October issue of Sierra magazine.

"Whenever sportsmen combine with environmentalists, you have 60 to 70 percent of the population, an absolutely irresistible coalition," Chris Potholm, professor of government and legal studies at Bowdoin College in Maine, told the magazine.

There's tons out there.......just have to look around. Some above are from The Nature Conservancy.......every bit as enviro as the Sierra Club.

 

[CleElum Sledhead]

RMEF Support For More Wilderness

October 1, 2007
Snowmobile Alliance Of Western States Concerned About RMEF Support For More Wilderness
http://www.snowest.com/news/print.cfm?id=1637

RMEF letter of support for the Beaverhead-Deerlodge Partnership (the "Partnership" Alternative proposes 573,619 additional acres of Wilderness in the Beaverhead DeerLodge National Forest).
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/07/images/RMEF_Support_for_Beaverhead_Partnership.jpg

Do People Really Know Where Their Donation Dollars Go?
http://www.sharetrails.org/magazine/article.php?id=1112

 

[Oregongirl]

I find that unless you are spending your money with a snowmobile-specific vendor like 509, Klim, or HMK, you are going to be sending some money to the "other" side. Especially if you are hunter, hiker or camper in the off-season. You just cannot avoid it and it can make you crazy when you start to try to indentify the "least offensive". For my money - I flat out refuse to purchase any REI branded products, no Keen, no Fat Tire.

Camelback was a motorized vendor in the beginning, but now they have branched out to all outdoor recreationists. That is good ole free-market economics. BUT - the other side of that is, once they cross that marketing line in the sand, I bet they started getting immense pressure to participate in the conservation movement. That is why you see formerly motorized vendors, such as Camelback, MSR, etc. spending money that way. I think they should donate equally to the open access groups too. But that will take market pressure - from consumers and from the groups themselves.

Just check out the Outdoor Industry Association http://www.outdoorindustry.org/
Go first to Government Affairs. Anti-motorized, pro Wilderness all over the place!!
Then go to About OIA - Members. You can search by State or by vendor.

What you will find is almost all your beloved and dear outdoor vendors are members. If you start drilling hard into the data present on this site, you'll see LOTS of studies about the money spent on outdoor recreation.....NONE of it includes ANY information about the money spent by the motorized recreationists.

Sorry to ruin your day......

 

[powderbound]

I just decided not to attend the RMEF banquet and auction next may or ever. Saved myself some money

 

[powderbound]

I went through the member list of the Outdoor Industry Association. This is a big organization. Just a few common vendors I buy from to add to the list. Most of the usuall suspects are members also. I already e-mailed Cabelas I was a big customer.

Duofold
Turtle fur
Fedex
Leatherman
Nalgene
New balance
Coleman
Woolrich
Cabelas
LL Bean

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Acutally the OIA is not against all motorized recreation. This is a quote from their policy statement.
"Participate in the Forest Service and BLM land management planning process to ensure that government policies on multi-use public lands preserve the availability and quality of human-powered recreation opportunities. This OIA policy specifically recognizes the immense value of Forest Service and BLM lands and supports the ideal that appropriate uses of public lands cover the spectrum from fully multi-use to preservation as wilderness."
There are many member of OIA that are pro-motorized rec. Such as GOPRO, BCA, Cabella's and others.
From what I read on their site, they are trying to walk a difficult line and work with both sides of the issue. The do seem to lean towards the "human powered" side but there is acknowledgement of the value of motorized recreation.
There are many companys that support both sides to some extent. It makes sense in this economic climate.
Most of us do the same thing. As a group we are generally concerned about the areas we ride. We do not set out to destroy the land and most of us "stay the trail" when needed. We are far from the environmental bad guys that the greenies portray us to be.

What I would like to see is a list of the companies that are fully one-sided on the issue.
Companies like Patagonia.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

I went through the member list of the Outdoor Industry Association. This is a big organization. Just a few common vendors I buy from to add to the list. Most of the usuall suspects are members also. I already e-mailed Cabelas I was a big customer.

Duofold
Turtle fur
Fedex
Leatherman
Nalgene
New balance
Coleman
Woolrich
Cabelas
LL Bean

Cabella's sell ATV and RV, and jeep equipment. A LOT of it. I doubt that they support closures.

 

[ericbigbore]

What about ducks unlimited? Anyone??

 

[CatWoman]

I emailed Tim Leatherman himself a few years ago on this issue. Told him how I felt (politely), and that I would be reccomending to everyone I knew not to purchase his product. His reply to me was it's his choice to support whoever he wants, and if I did something like that, it would only make his employees suffer. That was just one voice. If there were a BUNCH of email going to these companies, that they couldn't ignore. I'm pretty sure I still have the email (I pretty much keep everything ).

I'll send out an email to Cabelas too. Actually......I'm going to have a long list. We need to get this organized and email addy's beside every company to make this easier for all of us. Mass email coming in.....and right before the Christmas season where many hope to make big sales, and with this economy.....

I went through the member list of the Outdoor Industry Association. This is a big organization. Just a few common vendors I buy from to add to the list. Most of the usuall suspects are members also. I already e-mailed Cabelas I was a big customer.

Duofold
Turtle fur
Fedex
Leatherman
Nalgene
New balance
Coleman
Woolrich
Cabelas
LL Bean

 

[CatWoman]

What about ducks unlimited? Anyone??

No good either......see my post farther back.......they're in on it too.

 

[Snorider]

I don't do business with cabela's anymore after several years ago. After seeing how they were trying to close hunting lands(they were trying to get public land reserved for them) and very effectively muscle other guides out. Land closure is also on their list.
Just like any hunter who wants to hunt on my land that supports rmef or ducks unlimited find that the land has suddenly became closed to hunting.

But on a good note, homo depot just got 2 large business accounts closed today,one of them mine and not stepping in there again.

 

[CleElum Sledhead]

Acutally the OIA is not against all motorized recreation. This is a quote from their policy statement.
"Participate in the Forest Service and BLM land management planning process to ensure that government policies on multi-use public lands preserve the availability and quality of human-powered recreation opportunities. This OIA policy specifically recognizes the immense value of Forest Service and BLM lands and supports the ideal that appropriate uses of public lands cover the spectrum from fully multi-use to preservation as wilderness."
There are many member of OIA that are pro-motorized rec. Such as GOPRO, BCA, Cabella's and others.
From what I read on their site, they are trying to walk a difficult line and work with both sides of the issue. The do seem to lean towards the "human powered" side but there is acknowledgement of the value of motorized recreation.
There are many companys that support both sides to some extent. It makes sense in this economic climate.
Most of us do the same thing. As a group we are generally concerned about the areas we ride. We do not set out to destroy the land and most of us "stay the trail" when needed. We are far from the environmental bad guys that the greenies portray us to be.

What I would like to see is a list of the companies that are fully one-sided on the issue.
Companies like Patagonia.

OIA is opposed to snowmobilers as much as any anti-snowmobile group is. They are all about "human powered sports", just like REI and the rest of the anti-OHV crowd.

I have actually dug into the background of this group numerous times, and posted info on the old forum and do not plan to spend the time again, but it is very easy to perform a few searches to see they are not our freinds.

Dig on.

Environmental group praises roadless policies

http://www.oregonwild.org/about/press-room/press-clips/environmental-grou-praises-roadless-policies

“…Amy Roberts, director of government affairs for the Outdoor Industry Association trade group, said protection of roadless areas helps the economy.

"The human-powered outdoor recreation industry supports the roadless rule," she said.

Roberts said the association's studies show outdoor recreation generates $730 billion annually for the U.S. economy and provides 6.5 million jobs.

"It is fundamentally based ... on high-quality places to play," Roberts said…”

About OIA :: Board of Directors

Executive Committee
CHAIRMAN
Dan Templin - VF Outdoor Inc., CFO

VICE CHAIR
Peter Metcalf - Black Diamond Equipment, Co-Founder, CEO/President and Chairman

VICE CHAIR
Will Manzer - EMS, President and CEO

TREASURER
Sam Solomon - The Coleman Company, President and CEO

SECRETARY
Gordon Seabury - Horny Toad, CEO

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE CHAIR
Brian Unmacht - REI, Executive Vice President

FOUNDATION CHAIR
Jay Steere - Timberland, VP Global Product Management/Outdoor Performance

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS CHAIR
Jennifer Mull - Backwoods Equipment , CEO

PAST CHAIR
Mike Wallenfels - Mountain Hardwear, President



Directors
STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE CHAIR
Brian Unmacht - REI, Executive Vice President

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Tom Barney - Osprey, CEO

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Norman Cavallaro - President/Treasurer, North Cove Outfitters

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Bob Holding - Co-founder, Waypoint Outdoor

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Joe Hyer - The Alpine Experience, Supreme Commander

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Sue Rechner - President, CEO and Director, Confluence Watersports

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Sam Solomon - The Coleman Company, President and CEO

STRATEGIC PLANNING & FINANCE COMMITTEE
Casey Sheahan - CEO, Patagonia

STRATEGIC PLANNING AND FINANCE
Zohar Ziv - Deckers Outdoor Corporation, COO

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS CHAIR
Jennifer Mull - Backwoods Equipment , CEO

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Sutton Bacon - Nantahala Outdoors, President & CEO

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
David Loechner - Senior Vice President

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Ed McAlister - Owner, River Sports Outfitters

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Pam Schwarzbach - The Ascentials, Principal

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Gordon Seabury - Horny Toad, CEO

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Scott Sible - Merrell, President

MEMBER & EXTERNAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Kim Walker - Founder, President, outdoor DIVAS

FOUNDATION COMMITTEE CHAIR
Jay Steere - Timberland, VP Global Product Management/Outdoor Performance

OUTDOOR FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
Darren Bush - Owner, Rutabaga Paddlesports

FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
Fred Clark - Thule, CEO
OUTDOOR FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
David Kulow - Owner, All Terrain (Rosemont Ventures, Inc.)

FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
Steve Shuster - W. L. Gore, Gore Enterprise Communications

FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
Bill Sweasy - Red Wing Shoe Company, Chairman & CEO

FOUNDATION COMMITTEE
Beaver Theodosakis - Prana, Founder & CEO

 

[Ultra]

How about local venders, about 3-4 years ago a list was floating around the Flathead valley with several hundred business name on it that were known supporters of the likes on MWA and SVC. I think I may still have a copy. I will try to locate it and post it. I know The Sportsman Skii Haus was on it, Haven't been there since.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Well I suppose that if we are to use membership in OIA as the benchmark for the boycott list, then the majority of us are in for some big changes in our buying habits.
Non-of use will be able to buy a new avy beacon (or any other avy gear for that matter). Helmet cams will be hard to come by. And who knows where we will be able to buy hunting gear.
If every one of us never bought another thing at a company the size of Home Depot, they would most likely not even notice. The same for cabella's, sportsman's warehouse, LL Bean.
BCA is a different story. It would hurt them. And they make tools that have saved many sledders lives.
Others on the list
3M
gore-tex
Velcro
Fed-Ex
Smith optics
Vibram
Coleman
Swiss Army

It's a tough choice.
I will never buy anything at REI or Patagonia. But then, I have other options as good or better. Will it make a difference? Unlikely, but it will make me feel better. I won't pay for the bullets to shoot me.